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    [–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    It seems to me that women who become transmen are trying to escape something while many men who become transwomen are trying to chase something. The men are primarily going after lesbians and trying to have sex with them, which is why they're mostly sexually aggressive and are more subtle in their homophobia. It isn't the identity they're after so much as access to homosexual women's bodies. The women going after gay men, however, primarily seem to be more fleeing what they perceive to be societal pressures and expectations of women, like being quiet or prude or whatever. In escaping these expectations that only misogynists actually have, they flood to the opposite extreme, trying to be loud and vulgar all the time, not just in the bedroom. They may not be trying to access gay men's bodies so much as trying to escape being seen as (and thus feeling associated with) a woman.

    If men are chasing women when they transition, and women are escaping womanhood when they do the same, then these differences make quite a bit of sense. Of course, there's always some of both. Many transwomen reject manhood and plenty of transmen are trying to fetishize gays as much as possible, but these may not be to the same degree among the two groups

    [–]julesburm1891 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It seems to me that women who become transmen are trying to escape something while many men who become transwomen are trying to chase something.

    This is probably the best summation I’ve seen.

    [–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Gay transmen are just so open and blatant with their homophobia if you go on any of their socials they fling homophobic slurs constantly, and have it in their bios or username. They love talking about how gay men are dirty and/or disgusting. Along with narc meltdown when regrected, usually along with verbal abuse or how they're being oppressed. I've never seen or met any group of people that are so openly homophobic.

    I'm inclined to speculate that this sort of behavior is the result of an unholy crossover between 1. how popular it is in liberal circles to insult men, period, and 2. lots of simmering homophobia that finally found an outlet.

    For some reason, too, many straight women seem to think very negatively of feminine men... certainly when it comes to dating. And heterosexual trans-identified females are probably most likely to fall into this category, because they seem to believe that you can be a "real man" if you just conform to masculine sex stereotypes. So then they end up thinking that gay men are "failed men" because being same sex attracted runs counter to masculine sex stereotypes.