DiscussionDo you agree with gender critical feminism?

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[–]BEB 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

I just want to add that a good portion of middle-aged and older US and, I think, UK, gender critical feminists are 2nd Wave feminists.

2nd Wave feminists' support was essential for homosexuals in the battle for gay rights and also to get funding for AIDS research.

So gay men like you kind of owe us for being as accepted as you are, because without heterosexual and homosexual 2nd Wave feminists, gay men, who are a small minority, would have not have had the numbers or the clout to convince lawmakers to give them rights.

When I see gay men especially wail on GC feminists I want to kick them (not literally) because you would be NOWHERE without the women who fought for you back then. The women who are now GC feminists because we woke up to the incredibly dangerous gender agenda attack on women's rights.

[–]ukrdude10[S] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh come fucking on, this sounds like a TRA rambling about Marsha P. Johnson and shit, no need for this hateful banter. I was just saying that I don't agree with vilifying all men because of actions of a few, none of us chose to be born with a penis and broad shoulders.

I support GC for the most part and read their sub regularly, I just don't think there is an all-male conspiracy to oppress women. straight men generally want to appease women for obvious reasons, while gay men are indifferent or supportive of women. But of course feel free to question my logic.

[–]BEB 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Where did I talk about vilifying all men or gay men? Where have I said there's an all-male conspiracy to oppress women?

I have literally supported gay men since the mid-1970s. I have lobbied for gay men's rights. I have nursed gay men with AIDS when people wouldn't even touch them.

The only thing I'm asking in return is that gay men REMEMBER what women have done for them - we provided the numbers to get you your rights - and we provided a hell of a lot of emotional support - and support women now that our rights, our dignity, our privacy, our safety, and our sports are under attack by former gay organizations and men who claim to be women.

[–]simpliyoot 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Gay "men" are not "men" as in theyre not part of the patriarchy. Theyre considered traitors to it and traitors are always considered worthy of death more than the people the patriarchy is meant to oppress. Heterosexual women are far closer to the patriarchy than a gay man will ever be. And no, you are not under attack by gay organizations. All of them have been hijacked by hyper aggressive, dominant, psychotic heterosexual men with the help of "intersectionality". All these former gay organizations were almost exclusively run by gay men to humanize same sex attraction. That was their only goal. And then they were slowly hijacked by lesbians who were the ones responsible for pushing out the gay men. There were no gay men to push out when the take over by straight "lesbians" happened. When the AGP men took over, they defeated the lesbians and there were no gays to be found.

And you are vilifying gay men as if theyre somehow responsible for this mess, promised to laugh at the violent homophobic backlash from this (which means you know you're going to get away from this and walk away since whats really transing them is your gender binary bullshit) and you're on a site commenting on surrogacy being used by gay men. You know, surrogacy, where 99.99999% of the clientele is exclusively straight women and the service was designed for them but the only time a feminist talks about surrogacy is when 0.00001% of the clientele, a gay man, uses it and suddenly it's misogynistic. You have an extreme bias towards gay men to the point where it distorts and warps whatever principal you're trying to push.