LGB refutation of TQ+, Part 1: Self-defense

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[–]Constantine 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think this is the right approach. I think that asserting the ways in which the basic claims and aims of the LGB vs. the TQ+ is more likely to draw more people into what we have to say than going out at the forefront talking about how gender ideology is homophobic, sexist, regressive, etc. It is all those things and more. But people in our current culture have, whether we like it or not, been trained to think that even talking about these issues as if there's a debate to be had is bigoted. That's not a good starting ground for a necessary and open dialogue. The point is to open that dialogue, and then ease into it from there. Culture is a powerful thing, and even well-meaning people who could be swayed to our side with the facts and the logic could instinctively back away if approached in the wrong way on the subject.

[–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But people in our current culture have, whether we like it or not, been trained to think that even talking about these issues as if there's a debate to be had is bigoted. That's not a good starting ground for a necessary and open dialogue.

Very true. The fact that open dialogue, itself, is seen as bigoted, is an issue we'll have to confront.

[–]Constantine 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, this is what actually peaked me, really. I just wasn’t raised to be so small-minded that I wouldn’t even give an idea I hated a fair hearing. Even when I thought I 100% agreed with everything the woke people were parroting, it bothered me when they challenged the basic principle of the free exchange of ideas. Which led me to question more than just that.

I’m kind of an unusual person, though, at least for my generation. I don’t think younger people have the kind of appreciation for free thought that other generations have, because they’ve grown up in a time of relatively great social progress, with corresponding ridiculous anti-bullying campaigns in school teaching them that words are like weapons. Previous generations knew that in order to fight for their own rights, they had to protect the rights of those they disagreed with, too. The law isn’t selective, or at least it shouldn’t be.

I don’t know how to reach these people, but the OP’s suggestion seems like the best place to start to me.

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[–]our_team_is_winning 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

campaigns in school teaching them that words are like weapons.

Like using the word "she" for MEN and thereby erasing women? It's funny how they think only non-Woke words are weapons. Threatening to rape and kill "TERF" is never flagged by their anti-bullying campaigns.

Calling one's 5 year-old son or daughter "trans" also seems like bullying with words to me.

The Woke need to re-examine how THEY use words to hurt people.