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[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is weird for me as a feminine guy, because I've pretty much only seen the reverse. "Feminine guys aren't real men/Feminine guys are trans in denial/'Traps' aren't gay/You're not gay if you're into feminine males because they're basically like women"

In fact one of the biggest reasons I don't associate with the LGBT or gay community is that I can't relate to them, because from what I've seen everyone either hates feminine males for existing, thinks they're a commodity/object/quick fetish fuel and not people, OR they think we all have to be "the sassy gay best friend" trope, or that we're secretly "trans girls." In my experience the LGBT is not welcome to gender non conforming people, especially feminine males, unless they are walking plastic surgery assholes like Jeffree Star and James Charles who's entire identity is "I'm gay and obnoxious and don't act like any sane real person would."

A lot of gay communities are "masc4masc" too and that's another reason I don't believe I'm welcome, I just don't fit. This also includes 18+/NSFW spaces... sometimes I feel like the only "fem4fem" guy because I can't seem to find content tailored for feminine guys by feminine guys... it's always NSFW masc gay subreddits, or some weird "daddy top seeking femboy" (yuck) thing, or gay porn that focuses very heavily on masculinity. Which is fine, and I understand why its most popular, people like me are outliers, but thats my reason.

"Straight acting" is funny too because I would say that the obnoxious, only feminine-as-a-kink guys are more "straight acting" (or trying to be) for attempting to emulate heterosexual, sexist gender roles by "being the woman in the relationship" while seeking out masculine men.

Also what context is one's behavior judged exactly? I'm not at all masculine and I'm very open with my femininity. Buuut I don't have "the gay accent" or ever talk about my sexuality, and most people IRL assume I am straight now. Am I "straight acting", or does simply wearing eyeshadow mean that I am "gay acting"? It's dumb.

To answer the main question, I don't think there was a slope. I've always seen a lot of bad in LGBT, it just goes through phases of different flavors. I don't think any of this is new in my opinion, I've certainly seen it for as long as I can recall.

Edit: Also in my experience, stereotypical "feminine" guys are nasty to actual GNC males, I've had a lot of them attack me for not being the "right" kind of feminine (aka not stereotypical and sexist, sexualized behavior) and call me a bunch of names. When people call me degrading shit I don't like, such as "twink" or "bottom" or "queen", it's usually one of those hyper-feminine annoying guys who still thinks typing "sksksksksk" is funny.

[–]DummDick_998634230[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

because I've pretty much only seen the reverse. "Feminine guys aren't real men/Feminine guys are trans in denial/'Traps' aren't gay/You're not gay if you're into feminine males because they're basically like women"

Yeah it was definitely present too, it's was a back n' forth back in the day until some people smack some sense into everyone. All it takes is just for a few stupid people to LARP as if the ebul masc or the bitchy fems are threatening their very existence to start some dumb blanket-throwing flamewar.

I'm not at all masculine and I'm very open with my femininity. Buuut I don't have "the gay accent" or ever talk about my sexuality, and most people IRL assume I am straight now. Am I "straight acting", or does simply wearing eyeshadow mean that I am "gay acting"? It's dumb.

Yeah it's seriously fucking stupid how those terms where thrown so much back in the day. There's literally NO OTHER intrinsic property to being straight other than being attracted to the opposite sex, like do they just ignore so many straight guys with a less than masculine manner? There was an old post of a comparison of 2 guys from instagram, one guy was a makeup artist and regularly wears tons of makeup and the other was hiking and generally looked manly. The gay one was the one hiking and the straight one was the makeup artist, why? There's no innate instinct that tells gay men to act feminine or straight men to act manly, it's their choice to be that way, but it's not like they would've understood that back then lol.

Also in my experience, stereotypical "feminine" guys are nasty to actual GNC males, I've had a lot of them attack me for not being the "right" kind of feminine (aka not stereotypical and sexist, sexualized behavior) and call me a bunch of names.

Yikes, yeah I really don't understand it when more feminine people have a bad habit of inheriting the nasty portions of the stereotypes too. Like what's so hard of just having a long hair, slim body and a general interest of everything without acting catty, kween-like and limiting their interest to stereotypical feminine ones? They throw around "straight-acting" yet it really feels like they're the one acting to make up for their boring personality