Transing ChildrenFirst case in Italy of parents of a 13 years old boy asking for a gender change. It begun.....

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[–]jiljol 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What has been scientifically proven is that conversion therapy and attempts to switch sexual orientation are ineffective and outright harmful. People simply don't choose the sex(es) they are attracted to. Is it hormonal exposure in-utero? Epigenetics? The environment? A combination of some or all of these? We don't know. The fact is that it is not a conscious decision made by the individual. "I can't help if I'm gay" (as if being gay is a bad thing) is not really the argument that people make, but rather "I'm gay and that's an immutable part of who I am".

I think the whole genetic thing is the seed that grew into trans.

Trans play both sides: they claim they were born with the "brain of x/y/z gender", yet at the same time they pick and choose a gender/pronoun that "feels good this day/week/month/year/etc".

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's obviously not hormonal or genetic or there wouldn't be societies where it is practiced universally, like in Ancient Greece and Sambia. "Why would I choose this" was often repeated when I was coming out in the 90s. Maybe they don't say it as much anymore, but it is part of the groveling to heteros for acceptance that I find unnecessary and distasteful. Gay is good on it's own. There are some bisexuals. For them it is a choice, and a good one. No one chooses their native language, and that's not genetic or hormonal. Looking for reasons that are out of our control implies by itself that if only we could control it, we would. That is, it concedes that there is something undesirable about it. It's the mindset of a reluctant but resigned coming out, instead of something more like "why the fuck is the church and state interested in who I'm sexually attracted to? Why are they policing it?"

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No, it is based on reality. We cannot control our sexuality. If I could control it, I would always choose to being attracted to women, but I got zero control. It is complete a physiological thing, not choice, not culture, but physiology. And not even bisexuals choose to be bisexuals. And please, stop with the ancient greek bs. A bunch of misogynistic idiots thinking men were superior in everything isn't about homosexuality, and doesn't change homosexuality is a natural thing that only a small minority is.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I never said anything about being able to control it. I said it wasn't genetic. Another thing that is learned and cannot be chosen or controlled is one's native language.

I'm not praising ancient Greece. I'm using it as an example to prove that homosexuality cannot be genetic if it is distributed in different proportions in different societies. This is obvious and definitive. What you think of the form homosexuality took in that society is irrelevant to the point I'm making. Insisting that homosexuality only exists in a small minority because of biology is just heterosexist propaganda. There are documented societies where EVERYONE participates in homosexual activity.

Since you would always choose heterosexuality if given a choice, I can assume you are homophobic.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The fact that it isn't genetic, doesn't mean not innate or biological. The most probable reason is hormones in the womb. Surely as hell you cannot learn to be attracted to someone. And if it weren't about learning, I wouldn't be a lesbian. Since I come from a very traditional town where I did not know what gay even meant yet I felt a crush for a girl, when I was in elementary school. Ancient Greece wasn't mostly homosexual. They just did not have a taboo about it and thought the masculine was superior. Practice something, and being attracted are two different things. You have the homophobic argument of homosexuality as unnatural learned behaviour. I told you that would choose homo if I could, but there is zero control in sexual attraction, it is something totally biological. Only bisexuals think everyone can being attracted to everyone

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not bisexual and I don't think people can choose their sexual orientation. But there are documented societies where same sex sexuality is universal, and yes, in Sparta, homosexuality was pretty much universal. It was institutionalized. Same with Sambia. What this means is that sexuality is unconsciously learned so early that people don't realize they are learning it. This is why I compare it to one's native language. You don't get to choose that either, but you learned it, and it isn't biological. I think all societies are tilted homosexual by virtue of childhood sex segregation and gendering. I think heterosexuals sublimate their same sex attraction and as adolescents cultivate an opposite sex attraction that is so problematic you find things like widespread misogyny. All men actually seem to prefer men. Wilhelm Reich touches on this, but people just dismiss him as homophobic. What he actually said is that in indigenous societies where adolescents are allowed to explore each other sexually as they sexually mature, there is no homosexuality AND there is no homosexual taboo (in other words, it is incidental and unremarkable if it happens). The two go together. Homosexual oppression is a necessary consequence of gendering (achieved via childhood sex segregation and delayed sexual experimentation) and necessary to achieve a heterosexual orientation. It is so problematic that it creates populations that end up exclusively homosexual as a side effect, along with unconscious resentments like misogyny and sexual sadism and rape.