I like to engage with people of differing opinions! Why don't others elsewhere?

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[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

(good faith) debate

That just leads to biased bannings of anyone arguing in "bad faith", defined strictly as anyone the mods don't like.

[–]FLCL 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It could be defined in the rules, strictly following the debate pyramid or something. As long as the mod's aren't giving vague definitions of rules. I imagine it would require a great deal of oversight as it get bigger, though.

[–]teelo 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As long as the sub is eligible for /all, moderators cannot remove arguments posted in good faith. If they overstep their boundaries and decide that comments are "bad faith" when they aren't, they'll lose their ability to moderate.

Anyone can see the moderation log, and the ability to see the content of a removed comment from the modlog is something I requested recently.

[–]rman 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t think it has to be like that - I think the pyramid here is a good guide as far as trying to stay at the top of it and gently reminding others when they slide down a bit... keeping conversation “above the belt” is the best way to learn from each other I think

[–]SonterLord 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I do agree that the meaning of 'good faith' is too ambiguous to maintain in any official capacity. r/AskTheDonald used to be OKAY but I'm not so sure anymore.

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It was used on the ukpolitics subreddit for a while. What it lead to was that when a user made a perfectly valid statement that they wholly believed, but one which happened to be unpopular, the mob would cry 'bad faith' because they just couldn't accept anyone could make such a comment in earnest, and they were so offended by it they thought they were being trolled. Because the mob were the majority they just report bombed anyone with a minority view for bad faith posting, and the mods wanting a quiet life just banned the single poster to placate them. It killed the debate. They rolled back on the rule eventually.