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[–]cfptwceje 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This will probably end 6ft under, but let me ask a sincere question:

Could you please summarize the right-wing part of your right-wing feminism in 2-3 sentences, without references to personalities, social circles or media outlets you draw on?

Asking as a lifelong "leftist" who finds it difficult to spot what I would describe as "rightist" positions in your intro, and getting increasingly tired that these designators seem to have lost any useful meaning.

[–]ech[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Could you please summarize the right-wing part of your right-wing feminism in 2-3 sentences, without references to personalities, social circles or media outlets you draw on?

It's hard to do this without reference to the above, but I'll try. I think civilization is hard to create and easy to destroy, and that seismic changes to the civilizational order should be approached with caution (vs. pursuing change for the sake of change). I think individuals should be judged on their merits as individuals, and that it's desirable to treat individuals fairly and equitably, but don't respect "justice" claims by groups. Moreover, there are obvious robust, and often innate, differences between human population groups which produce different life outcomes and at a massive scale, different societal outcomes. We should stop destroying our schools and emptying our coffers trying to ensure that kids of every color get the same SAT scores, because it's not going to happen. (And no, that doesn't justify abolishing the SAT). We should also recognize that mass immigration from the third world will make our societies more like the third world, which is bad. Traditional "family values" (discouraging extramarital sex, encouraging obedience to parents, encouraging loyalty to one's family and community) generated positive externalities so although those values can feel stifling to some, we should be cautious about tearing them down. I would rather live under quasi-fascism (Singapore) than quasi-communism (Venezuela), although ideally I prefer to live under classical liberalism, which is nowadays a conservative view. I truly hate our media and political elites for their hostility to ordinary people, especially ordinary white people.

[–]cfptwceje 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ok, this is clearer now — and thank you for your answer.

(vs. pursuing change for the sake of change)

This is probably the crux of the matter: that, and related positions of caution that you express, should be self-evident.

I feel like the online discourse has been drowned by an army of low-effort adolescents, eager to wave the "progressive" flag and loudly sling shit for brownies and internet points. It feels like an endless mosh pit.

This tinfoil-hat site could very well end up being a place to talk, in these ideologically confused times :D .

The rest of your comment does have quite of a lot of what I would call "right-wing" ideas, which I quite deeply disagree with, so I guess that excuses the basic "left" and "right" designators. Maybe we'll debate them at some point, but freely and at ease.

[–]ech[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What's funny is I didn't start out with a right-wing disposition. For example, if you are familiar with Jonathan Haidt's work (which examines psychological underpinnings of different political orientations), my scores on his exams suggest I should be a libertarian. But I'm very bullshit-intolerant, and there's a lot of totalitarian bullshit being imposed by the "progressive" camp. I have beliefs about race and IQ that are supported by evidence and shouldn't objectively have any moral content -- they're simply empirical assertions of fact that are true, or they're false -- but have been hyperpoliticized.

Current online discourse (especially Twitter, and especially bluecheck twitter) is toxic and has probably hurt democracy more than we can assess.