I must be more toxic than these guys cuz they can get girlfriends and I can't. These guys must be really good-natured then.

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[–]basedaf1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

they left her unconscious. We don't know if she fully conscious on the dance floor and gave any form of consent. Being able to stand doesn't mean you have the strength to shove a guy off of you. I don't know, wasn't there, neither were you. You didn't sit and see the whole trial, so you aren't entitled to an opinion on it.

[–]automoderator[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]letsgobish29 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

of course she was conscious on the dance floor? she was making out with them then went into a closet. do you really think they sauntered an unconscious body through the club and nobody noticed? be realistic.

after they had sex she slumped, exhausted in the closet and passed out. the charge was that she was too drunk to consent. if she was actually unconscious it's outright rape with a diff charge. so she was too drunk to consent. but they apparently were not, even they were also drunk. that discrepancy, whilst making no sense, does exist in all western law.

[–]basedaf1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I said fully conscious. Yes I've been drunk/high enough I could walk, but not push someone off of me if they were fucking with me. One way or another, at the end of the day she was left unconscious in the bathroom needing medical attention. I think that's pretty clear signs of rape. Even assuming its not, I'm confused how you came to the conclusion there's such a thing according to the jury as too drunk to consent. Media interpretations are no where near 100% accurate, or even close to 50%, look what they say about us. We'd have all been banned by reddit long ago if the media was actually right about what we say there. The law seems same as usual, consent while drunk isn't rape. The part of the case that stands out, is if a girl doesn't remember, other circumstances can lead to proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Show me a case where the girl didn't need surgery after the sex, and we can talk.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

soyaf1

[–]letsgobish29 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

what? i noticed you're one of those types who just like to argue about everything in the chat. i already explained everything very clearly. you're just rambling pure nonsense to come up with something to reply and continue arguing.

[–]basedaf1 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

this doesn't raise the pyramid of debate.....

[–]letsgobish29 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

i won

[–]Xas 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe in the Uk, but I think Turd Flinging Monkey, has given examples from other parts of the world, were there has been no physical damage, and a woman's words has been enough to convict a man after sex. Some cases the man is exonerated by video tape evidence or text message evidence after the fact showing she had no trauma.

There have also been examples of women who've falsely accused more than half a dozen men and landed them in jail. With some apparently wanting to change the law so a woman's sexual history cannot be presented in court.

[–]StibbyMaBa 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How could they have not consented? They were the ones fucking her. Or are you saying that she was judged too drunk to consent, while they weren't judged too drunk to assess whether she consented

[–]basedaf1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm saying she didn't remember what happened, and other circumstances led the jury to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that she didn't consent. That simple. The media said it was a first of its kind case. We'd be seeing a whole lot of cases about now if any girl who's had a few drinks can put a man in jail for rape.

[–]Xas 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Are you suggesting that a man that initiates sex always consents regardless of how drunk he is?

[–]StibbyMaBa 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes