Inceldom is getting rejected, but MGTOW is gaining traction. 23k views in a day. 2000 likes, only 50 dislikes. Comments section is extremely fucking based. Men are waking up, and if MGTOW is the gateway, I welcome it. True progress when the blackpill is being discussed and entertained publicly.

Xas · 2019-12-05T16:01:38+00:00

A wealthy MGTOW can hire a foreign women's womb and have a child.

The problem for women is not the dirt poor MGTOWs, but the high status wealthy MGTOWs.

Xas · 2019-12-05T15:57:19+00:00

In some parts of the world even prenuptials are being rendered null and void. The laws are getting worse year by year, and they can apply retroactively. Even men like Henry Cavill have made mgtow like comments, due to metoo. And Leonardo Di Caprio also appears to exhibit MGTOW behavior, dating young without commitment.

MGTOWs aren't all MGTOW monks who avoid all intimate relations with women, there are MGTOW that only avoid marriage and cohabitation(which can be retroactively made into marriage).

The wealthy high status men that are seeing even prenups fail, a good portion is avoiding marriage. With even casual relations potentially ending in jail or extortion based solely on a woman's words, many are also avoiding casual sex. A wealthy man can easily go to another country and hire young prostitutes or escorts for cheap, without fear of any legal repercussions.

Metoo has resulted in Doctors, Lawyers, Executives, etc being more careful and avoiding work relations that would otherwise have taken place.

Xas · 2019-12-05T15:42:28+00:00

Are you suggesting that a man that initiates sex always consents regardless of how drunk he is?

Xas · 2019-12-05T15:40:24+00:00

Maybe in the Uk, but I think Turd Flinging Monkey, has given examples from other parts of the world, were there has been no physical damage, and a woman's words has been enough to convict a man after sex. Some cases the man is exonerated by video tape evidence or text message evidence after the fact showing she had no trauma.

There have also been examples of women who've falsely accused more than half a dozen men and landed them in jail. With some apparently wanting to change the law so a woman's sexual history cannot be presented in court.

Xas · 2019-10-24T18:17:17+00:00

"Concerns as face recognition tech used to 'identify' criminals" https://www.newscientist.com/article/2114900-concerns-as-face-recognition-tech-used-to-identify-criminals/

There's been some research suggesting it may be possible. We need to see whether further research confirms it or not. There was similar research suggesting AI could tell homosexuality with higher than chance odds from faces too.

Remember like 50% of the genome is used in the brain. It isn't implausible that some of the genes involved in face structure are reused in the brain, and could affect behavior.

As for bad boys, no. An ugly bad boy will be sent to jail quite quickly especially if he is abusive. A chad can have bad behavior and get lighter sentences, and even if he's a serial killer chad many girls will actually come from all over the nation to have sex with him in prison.

Xas · 2019-10-24T16:23:51+00:00

I mean sure out in the streets in most cases people will be polite. But when you see mainstream media portrayals of high school with the jocks and cool kids, as well as the losers and nerds. Those popularity levels, and those bullying, and that social ladder that occurs naturally, all of that originates in large part based on looks.

Also, while I'm polite to people that have a criminal like face, I'm sure there are many that wouldn't be.

Xas · 2019-10-24T16:18:55+00:00

yes but rarely. And there plenty of guys who get rejected by just about every female in their social circle, no matter how much they connect with them. And online dating and random approaches are even less likely to succeed.

Xas · 2019-10-24T16:17:13+00:00

I'll say I don't normally judge faces on the street. But there are some faces that do look sketchy, that make you think: "man this guy's probably a criminal or dangerous!". I can't be sure what triggers it, but I think it has been suggested AI face scanners can tell criminals from noncriminals. That there are indeed facial features common to most criminals.

Xas · 2019-10-24T15:56:57+00:00

people are not studying your face, obviously, unless you have some deformity, are extremely ugly or are super attractive. But subconsciously it affects their behavior. There are studies were faces are flashed too fast to be perceived and later words are presented positive and negative. The tendency to choose positive or negative is affected depending on what you were unconsciously shown.

Also even when asked, people will attach positive attributes to good looking and to tall people. And they'll tend to attach negative attributes to bad looking and short people. Research the halo effect.

video on halo effect based on looks. It is automatic, instinctive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEho_4ejkNw

Xas · 2019-10-24T15:48:53+00:00

Yeah, they created a connection probably without knowing how they looked like. Thanks to the mmorpg creating a situation where they are forced to spend time together. But not only is that rare, there are many horror stories from people who met online.

There are also many examples given of people spending months or years connecting online. Only for the woman to either leave immediately, sometimes not even making contact, upon the first real life meeting, and never to be heard again.

Xas · 2019-10-24T15:43:22+00:00

Look, in one's real life social circle rapport can be created and such relations can emerge organically, though the uglier the less likelier it is to happen. As people are basically forced to spend time together in many scenarios, and such can happen.

But randomly approaching someone at a bar or on the streets will be an almost impossible case for those who're ugly. Also online dating will also be an abyss, no matter how hard you try.

Yes there are some mentally ill sex addict women who do whore themselves out for free, but not only are they probably std filled, but their mental instability is likely an issue.   You could have one night stands dumpster diving, but at least when there are serious mental issues and serious std issues, that is not good for long term companionship.

Xas · 2019-10-24T15:23:51+00:00

And they succeed quite often. Turd flinging monkey has shown cases after case, where the only evidence has been the woman's words, and that has been enough to convict. Guilty until proven innocent basically.

Xas · 2019-10-24T14:25:20+00:00

I would say rape laws in America are based on a woman's word, not consent. You can have consensual sex, but if the woman regrets it later or gets mad at you and wants revenge, her word, together with evidence sex happened, is all the evidence needed to land you in jail.

Xas · 2019-10-24T14:14:02+00:00

Yeah I agree. That's similar to the mgtow philosophy of focusing on self improvement. Incels should take a note of that, they don't have to avoid female relations like mgtow do, but the self improvement part of mgtow is good to follow.

Xas · 2019-10-23T22:25:59+00:00

I've not looked but I wouldn't be surprised if they have plenty of misandrist feminist subs over at reddit. Radical feminists spewing male hate were allowed on youtube, and could easily show their face, many mgtows in youtube have had to remain anonymous and even then it seems many are being banned or removed.

I know that twitter had antiwhite hate tweets left standing, if not pointed out, while far subtler stuff from the right got permabans.

Xas · 2019-10-23T22:10:35+00:00

army has high divorce rate, iirc. They even give benefits to soldiers who marry to hook them up with child support and debt when there's a divorce. If there's a divorce the free provided army lawyer goes to the wife, the man has to hire his own private lawyer.

Look, perhaps you should start at mgtow, before you investigate the blackpill. Many mgtows are average or above average looking and they've seen relation after relation fail. The marriage laws are quite toxic in many places, and getting worse even in places where they are not that bad.

They've changed it to were cohabiting for a period of time automatically marries you, and I've heard there is talk of making it so if you have an intimate relation with a woman for a sufficient time you'll be automatically married.

The family courts are kangaroo courts, and false accusations can land a man in jail even if the woman confesses she lied. In some countries being proven innocent is not enough as there is no double jeopardy and you can be tried time and time again until found guilty.

Look its true some average looking guys lack confidence and think themselves below average. Yet even if they had confidence, the laws stand in their way, and given female nature the laws are bound to bite.

There are gymcels and armycels, and also army mgtows.

Also a blackpill I've not confirmed is that later in life women's libido plummets through the floor, so many marriages become sex less and often loveless too. And although around 50% of marriages end in divorce, many who remained married remain in loveless sexless abusive marriages.

Xas · 2019-10-23T14:19:28+00:00

I agree that resentment is not the answer. And that incels who feel hatred upon learning of female nature should abandon that hate.

But the graphs show men rate women looks accurately, while women rate 80% of men as below average. And most men would be happy to go with an average or slightly below average woman. Even in extremely below average there are still many men who would want a relation. Put a deformed girl profile online, and she gets tons of approaches, put a deformed man online and no matter how many he contacts he'll simply be rejected. And while a chad profile gets hundreds or thousands of approaches, a deformed man gets none.

While chad can say anything offensive insulting etc and mostly get away wit hit, a deformed man can have the best conversational skills and will be rejected by practically all women he approaches.

Look, we've all read and seen in media depictions of the guy with a life long crush for someone, that sees a girl as different from all others and unique and irreplaceable, that approaches the girl only to be rejected. Perhaps ending in the friendzone, where the girl tells him how much she shares in common with him, how much she likes his personality and other traits, etc. In some cases you hear how she just went after an abusive bad boy, and how she complains about the constant abuses but can't leave him for reasons she doesn't understand.The cherry on top is when she tells the friendzone guy that she wishes her boyfriend was just like him in personality and behavior.

If we left it up to mainstream media, such cases would be a mystery indeed. Even in the red pill some say you just have to be more abusive and less caring, as if that was the reason for chad's success. Chad succeeds in spite of the abuse not because of it.

They implicitly tell you the truth, by making the friends most often below average, while the bad boy is an attractive chad. But due to political correctness they don't outright tell you why that happened. Why one guy got rejected by the girl of his dreams while an asshole got to be with her intimately despite abysmal personality and abusiveness.

But the answer is simple, it was just looks. Good genetics. Females are the guardians of the species, they must ensure genetic quality is maintained in the population. If this wasn't the case and they started to go for guys with extremely long noses, or very short or excessively tall(8+ft), or bad genes, these would propagate and the species would change over time for the worse.

The variation in height has to be kept within certain ranges, the sizes of noses, mouths, etc. Their variation has to be kept in check. There are species that have lasted for tens of millions of years without change. It is said that humans potentially are basically the same from tens of thousands of years ago. In order to keep such stability, genetic quality has to propagate more favorably and be maintained.

Each generation hundreds of new mutations are introduced into each and every baby. Evolution works by weeding out the bad with less reproduction or no reproduction, while at the same time allowing for reproductive success of those who're fitter. It just so happens that the vast majority of mutations are bad, and the best genetics are found in a small fraction of the population.

Xas · 2019-10-23T03:57:03+00:00

I'm not talking about Cosby Harvey, they wanted sex, probably not companionship, and they exchanged deals in one case or in another drugged their victims, iirc.

What I'm talking about, I don't recall the exact examples, but I seem to recall from several media sources, portrayals of wealthy men who go to brothels again and again, to chat with a particular prostitute and experience some kind of companionship even if fake.

As for blame, in some intermediate cases it could be. But you should watch faceandlms videos on youtube before they get taken down. He does experiments with a chad profile in online dating, gets tons of approaches. He acts depressed in some conversations with women, highly insecure in others, very abusive in others, insinuates he molests minors, etc. Doesn't matter what the chad says in conversation or the insult the chad throws, the women not only continue the conversation but schedule a date and give their numbers to him.

Talks of highly abusive boyfriends, the girls just don't know why they can't do without, of course abusive chad is still chad after all.

At the same time women complain that they are not slot machines you put in 'niceness' tokens and get sex out of them.
The existence of the friendzone, women telling their friend how much they understand them and how they wish their abusive boyfriend was just like them. Using them as emotional tampons.

Face also shows the disinterest, disgust, and uncomfortableness that many women seem to experience and show when a man below their standards approaches them.

I don't know if you've seen how many places now have guards that approach any men that randomly approach women. Women commenting how they don't like to be complemented on their looks(by men below their standards), women dressing very provocatively(for chad) complaining about being looked at in a sexual way.

The reality is yes, some incels are fakecels, claiming to be incels but not really, and should approach women and put more effort. But there are real incels who've put the real effort and still see no results. We can dismiss them, as well as the mgtow movement which also knows of female nature?

How do you tell the mgtows who have experienced perhaps half a dozen failed relations that they should try harder? some have, it hasn't made any difference. When women initiate 80% of divorces, maybe female nature is something that has to be understood.

Or are you going to deny hypergamy? Or the graphs showing women consider 80% of men below average? Or the fact women who get surgery and lose weight suddenly have an 80~% chance of divorce not the average 50~%? Or the friendzone? Or the existence of chad?

Xas · 2019-10-22T21:18:20+00:00

it is common, but don't think it is necessary. If you'd only have one or two very short relations, or if you're spending years on end looking for a relation, I think that qualifies.

You could say there are degrees of inceldom. For example I would say a guy that pays a prostitute not for sex but for companionship and chatting with her, for a made-up fake relation, is an incel. Though we could argue about it, I think it fits the definition. This is the kind of incel phenomena you could easily see in mainstream media, without the media asking or emphasizing why is this wealthy dude(as I've often seen it portrayed as wealthy unattractive dudes) engaging in such behavior. Why does he have to resort to that? Mainstream media avoids going into the causes and the reason such a need may emerge.

Xas · 2019-10-22T20:56:12+00:00

there are also some incels that wanted companionship but now feel hate due to their knowledge of female nature. But I think those individuals need to leave their hate behind.

In mgtow, there are many who're not incels but have experienced the effects of hypergamy, with relationship after relationship going south for no reason. For a period they can often feel rage, especially after learning about female nature, but eventually they grow out of it and seek to self improve and avoid female relations.

Incels that hate, are in a similar position to many average looking mgtows that went through a period of hate. Even if they got the relation they once wanted it'd likely go south, but just as mgtows learned to surpass the hate, they too should focus on self improvement and learn to accept their situation and move on. I wouldn't necessarily say avoid all women relations like mgtow, but to keep the knowledge and expectation that for an ugly dude it will be extremely hard for such to come by and it will likely end south.

Xas · 2019-10-22T20:42:13+00:00

Then there's those who promote 'game' for ugly men, that say try hitting upon thousands of thousands of women to see if a rare one gives you the time of day. But probably such a rare woman with such low standards has given herself to dozens of men and has plenty of stds or is mentally unstable.

Xas · 2019-10-22T20:13:50+00:00

Do you know the word nigger? It is an offensive word if spoken by some, as it used to signal hatred. Spoken by others it is a token of camaraderie.

Gay used to mean happy or carefree, now it means homosexual in most contexts.

Learn that word meanings can and do change. The word incel is used to mean companionshipless, it's just catchier. You could say it has to do with sex, in the sense that it is not just friendship, but the desire for a more intimate relation with or without sex.

These subs are not just complaints, but discussions of female nature. While not relating strictly to incels, female nature affects everyone, you think people who've had multiple marriages end in divorce keep trying without knowledge this is a likely end due to hypergamy. That is due to mainstream lies.

You think the nearly 20~ men who didn't reproduce to the 1 that reproduced in pre agrarian society didn't try hard enough?

You think those practicing game that approach thousands of women aren't trying?

These people need to know why they fail, female nature. Why even those who're better off and succeed can frequently see their wives leave them for another man.

You know that if a fat chick gets surgery and loses weight odds of divorce go up from 50~% to 80~%? You think people don't deserve to know the statistics, the crude raw reality?

Xas · 2019-10-22T20:01:28+00:00

think they are banning and deleting many, and shadowbanning and throttling others, at least according to this youtuber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzu9iGB9cWY

Xas · 2019-10-22T19:51:44+00:00

somehow they started on reddit, and at first it wasn't as large. More problematic is that google will likely shadowban the site if it is pro free speech. They'll also probably get rid of incel channels on youtube, they are already getting rid of mgtow channels. Hope face starts to use bitchute too, if his channel gets too big it will likely draw their attention, ire and the axe.

With search engines, and most social media stopping discussion, it will make finding such and growth of such communities difficult.

Xas · 2019-10-22T19:47:02+00:00

Is female nature gonna change all of a sudden? No. Are the consequences of female nature going to change all of a sudden? No. Are we lied constantly in the mainstream media again and again? why yes.

Given that 80% of men are viewed as below average, and most of the bottom 50% will likely be unable to pass on their genes, they won't suddenly disappear. And discussing female nature, the blackpill, will make sense of too many things in their lives.

Men are told looks don't matter, work on personality, go to the gym, etc. There are deep reasons why this or that girl, or multiple turned you down repeatedly. But the reality of chads, that most girls will accept chad, many even an abusive chad, or be looking forward to chad even if they somehow give you the time of day, does not change.

Chad approaches, and it is very likely he will be accepted, even if in a relationship there's a good chance they'll lie and say they don't have a boyfriend, say they have but doesn't matter, or maybe even look for ways to end their relation with their boyfriend(hypergamy).

As chad has high probability of success with most women, an incel approaching a woman looking for a partner, is extremely likely to be turned down not just by one woman looking for a partner, but to be turned down by practically all women looking for a partner.

Ugly men into game, if they've not been jailed for being creeps, will try to approach thousands of women to try and get them to pity embrace them with manipulation techniques.

Give it time and this community will grow.

But don't expect change, men rights activists have failed time and again. It is unlikely incels will fare much better. As for laws women are the majority of the voting population and the laws will only get worse for men.

Xas · 2019-10-22T19:30:52+00:00

or like in the other thread, someone saying incels feel 'entitled'. Such ridiculous nonsense, feeling a basic human need is not entitlement. Someone may desire loving parents if they were an orphan, but that's not being entitled.

Looking down at someone for feeling the need of companionship, is like looking down at someone for starving.

Xas · 2019-10-22T19:22:21+00:00

This is the sort of stuff that gives incels a bad name, and it gives the suspicion of sock puppet accounts.

There are several types of incels, but in general the idea is that most are looking for companionship with the opposite sex. Some though, the knowledge of female nature has gotten them angry and bitter, and potentially made them hateful.

But those later types of incels are one of the reasons incel subs get a bad rep.

It's one thing to comment on female nature, or the hardships it brings, its quite another to start hating on women.

Such hatred is not only unproductive, but it makes people want to distance themselves if they see a community in which it becomes too abundant.

Xas · 2019-10-22T19:15:34+00:00

Exactly.

Girl behavior: Chad ogles a girl, very likely she flirts back or approaches or even if not feels strangely happy about it, probably expecting approach. An ugly guy makes accidental eye contact, she feels uncomfortable.

Girl behavior:Chad doesn't seem to speak much to anyone. Flirt, approach or even initiate verbal conversation. Ugly guy doesn't seem to speak much to anyone. Thank god, interaction can be avoided, and will be avoided.

Xas · 2019-10-22T16:25:42+00:00

over 40 wont give range.

But you appear to try and look for ways to dismiss incels and the reality of the blackpill. First talking about prostitutes, later talking about entitlement, and if not talking about age.

Xas · 2019-10-22T15:12:17+00:00

quite old actually. But there are probably older individuals in their 60s and 70s who've seen these explanations and gotten a better grasp of their life experiences.

Xas · 2019-10-22T15:01:49+00:00

That's the problem, you seem to think people are not still trying(if we were in an economic depression and someone posted how hard it is to find a job on a sub reddit, discussion/=not still looking for a job). As for those who've tried for decades, perhaps gotten a rare one to two year relation that ended bad, maybe their experience tells them better.

In any case, it is very interesting seeing the true nature of human relations exposed.

Why is it that when certain guys enter the room all the women start subtly looking at them, and some starts spontaneously approaching them or flirting openly. Why is it that certain guys have learnt to hire attractive escorts with them, escorts that leave after a while(and don't have sex with them), but other women having seen their faked interest in them at the club, take them as evaluated as fit by other attractive women and start paying attention to them.

There are many interesting explanations for behavior seen out in the wild. One I found funny was the chad who got a mugshot that went viral and became wealthy from others giving him money just because he was good-looking. While the below average crook gets to enjoy jail time and poverty, the chad gets fame and fortune just for committing a crime, and not just fame and fortune but plenty of women approaching him. That's the difference chad gets wealth and sex merely for being, even if he commits a felony perhaps even for committing a felony as in that case. And don't think it is just that either, promotions, deals, etc are given to him merely for being.

Xas · 2019-10-22T14:44:14+00:00

honestly this type of posts seem like they are intended to get this place a bad rep, or perhaps even closed.

Xas · 2019-10-22T14:39:41+00:00

The problem is you see a rare once in a blue moon pity relationship, and you go wow bravo these are super common and many perhaps most disabled have caring wives. But the reality is quite different, in many if not the vast majority of cases such are cared by direct family or institutions.

And not just handicapped but below average looking men will invoke a feeling of disgust and make women feel uncomfortable, upon approach, to the vast majority of women.

You put a disabled woman on a dating site and she'll get dozens if not hundreds of contacts. Put a disabled man online dating and not a single response.

Sometimes gold diggers go for below average looking men, but you often see those wealthy ugly men with their beautiful wives acting with disdain and disgust in public, let alone in private. Some do hide it better. And again there may be other reasons, and rare exceptions. But they are the exception not the rule.

I can point to you a lottery winner and tell you how, see, anyone can be rich. But that is just as valid as your example of the lucky cripple having frequent sex with a loving companion.

Even in cases were women are married to a loving caring man, many times the relation ends in divorce if the man ends up crippled or severely disfigured, even when there are kids involved.

Xas · 2019-10-22T14:23:49+00:00

The issue is not being entitled. The issue is that companionship is an innate human need. And the issue is not try harder. You seem like a noob to this topic. You take the incel word literally without realizing that it basically stands for companionshipless, and when that is pointed out to you you say incels are entitled for feeling bad for being unable to fulfill a basic human need despite immense effort.

The issue is trying hard and having a lottery like chance of success, with constant failure after failure, all while seeing chad succeed with no effort at all. And even if success is achieved in a rare moon, hypergamy means the rare relationship may still end after a short period.

Have you not seen the blind date tv programs, were the woman is very happy chatting for like ten minutes with a guy, connecting saying how good a match they are, kissing, etc. Just to act completely disgusted and shocked after the lights turn on and reveal a below average looking man? That's your personality and good conversation for you.

At the same time that a chad touches a women and is thought of as daring and attractive, an incel merely approaching and saying hi is seen as an insult and offensive, often making the woman feel uncomfortable. People have been reported to HR merely for making women uncomfortable merely by their presence, without any action.

Xas