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[–]gchelpbot 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Not "hard disagreeing" but I feel there is a huge part of a lot of these people seeing like the first chapter on critiques/history of scientific institutions, their structures, focus and framing, and how racist and sexist parts of it can come up and then just run with the absolute worse way of going about it.

The "biology is sexist" is part maddening because it is missing the key "the research of/in biology" before the is sexist part which is key. I.E in the field of medicine a lot of medicine even to this day pretty much just treats women as "men who weigh less" and this has even been seen for medicine that is MEANT for women. The cold hard biology isn't sexist, the biological institutions that create gaps in knowledge and medicine is sexist.

The actual topics of discussions for a lot of these points is very deep and murky but a ton of these people take the surface layer of it, summarize it in an awful way and summarize it with terrible shit takes. Science as a concept isn't sexist, the history of science for sure has various sexist parts that effect to this day, those are VERY different things.

[–]jet199 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I actually think it's quite a common feeling/instinct in young women, most of whom haven't even read the first chapter, which then latches itself to the POMO critical theory/social construct stuff. I saw a few women on the old GC sub saying we shouldn't be saying that women are weaker than men because it makes women feel bad and that they can't achieve as much which then leads to worse outcomes. They really think that to have true equality we all need to believe a woman could beat Usain Bolt at the 200 meters.

[–]eddyelric 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]MonstrousRegiment 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a stunningly good read! Too good to summarize (and anyway I'm not finished yet) but I had to drop this quote:

Men's physiology defines most sports, their health needs define insurance coverage, their socially designed biographies define workplace expectations and successful career patterns, their perspectives and concerns define quality in scholarship, their experiences and obsessions define merit, their military service defines citizenship, their presence defines family, their inability to get along with each other their wars and rulerships--defines history, their image defines god, and their genitals define sex. For each of their differences from women, what amounts to an affirmative action plan is in effect, otherwise known as the structure and values of American society.