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[–]SnowAssMan 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

We generally agree, especially when not arbitrarily limited to the 20th century. There was a time when women weren't allowed to get a higher education, or most jobs. I think that is sufficiently concordant with my earlier statement.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Some women" always had power and privileges, even in 15th century or 5th centuty, but it was mostly achieved through class - being rich, owning land of husband who died. Those are outliers.

When "all women" received those same freedoms and abilities is another question.

"On the West" it started in 1910-20s and ended at around 1970-90s, in some European country women were not able to own a land or open credit card without man's approval up until 1980s, so women weren't "completely barren from public life" (I think it is the phrasing why MT was so pedantic), but were severely limited to women, except few, and last canton was forced to do so in 1991: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_Switzerland

In most "Western" countries this process was around 1940-60s, so at least half of 20th century women were limited in freedoms in "Western" countries.

In many developing countries situation is severely worse:

AE gave women voting rights just in 2011, and not even fully, as women were allowed to run for elections only in 2015 there, but only for municipal ones.

In Omen and UAE this happened only in 2005-6. So few years ago.

In Russia there were 500 jobs forbidden for women to work at until 2019 (including ones like being metro train driver), and since 2019 there only 100 such jobs, mostly ones that require heavy lifting or are close to military services or connected with dangeroues chemicals.

In 2019 Saudi Arabia allowed women to go outside of house or a job on their own, without male permission and without male guardian: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-women-idUSKCN1UR5TB

And so on, and on, and on, and on.