All: Why do a lot of trans people insist that being non binary or trans has nothing to to with stereotyoes, and then suddenly it really is about stereotypes?

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[–]SnowAssMan 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

Why are we all saying "gender stereotypes", when there is a name for that: masculinity & femininity? If you limit the conversation to "stereotypes" then the argument will go on forever. Stick to masculinity & femininity. The very least every man who identifies as a woman does is use feminine pronouns, a feminine name, but usually also having a feminine hairstyle & feminine clothes.

Trans activists talk about gender all day long, but they are allergic to the words masculinity & femininity – even though that's what gender (as a construct) refers to. Clearly they think of female & femininity as synonymous, which is how someone who is feminine & male can be "female" & somehow not male.

They like to pretend that male & female & masculinity & femininity don't exist. And that all there is is self-identification. They replace the definition of male & female, man & woman, gender & gender identity with the non-existent definition of self-identification.

[–]adungitit 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Trans activists talk about gender all day long, but they are allergic to the words masculinity & femininity

I thought they liked the notion that performing femininity makes you female, and masculinity male? Isn't that what girlmode and boymode are about? I've literally heard many of them say that, if people mistake you for a man, then you are a man. Then again, I've seen so many contradictory views from them that I don't know what to believe. I feel that a lot of them make these sexist claims because they literally have no idea how to make the ideology make sense otherwise, and due to being all "TRANS RIGHTS FTW" there is a silent agreement that no-one can point out how contradictory and sexist all these ideas on gender are.

[–]SnowAssMan 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, they say "boy-mode", they'd never say 'masculine', even though that's what gender refers to & it's what they actually mean (provided they mean anything at all). They want to replace the definitions of male, boy, man, female, girl, woman, which are all grounded in sex, with a vague non-definition, which always ever turns out to be masculinity & femininity, except they think it's in their DNA, or something.

[–]adungitit 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I still can't believe that feminist movements have gone from trying to erase gender roles and fighting for sex-based rights, to insisting that acknowledging the physical reality of one's biology and having a normal healthy body are "wrong" because this doesn't match preconceived notions on what men and women should be.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Trans activists talk about gender all day long, but they are allergic to the words masculinity & femininity

I see/hear trans activists and gender ideologues talk about "femininity" and "masculinity" all the time. Prior to the internet, trans-identified men took & gave courses & trainings in how to be "feminine" - and today there are tons of self-help tutorials online telling trans people how to be more feminine. https://youtu.be/Nrj5WIknoyU https://youtu.be/sIEpI7qyXV8 https://youtu.be/uhaDVJqLp8M https://youtu.be/ACVM1BUY8tY https://youtu.be/WR-bQMK_Aq4 https://youtu.be/47tLahQe7N8 https://youtu.be/ebH7RhMccZU https://youtu.be/sIEpI7qyXV8 https://youtu.be/pXc5edJhcxg https://youtu.be/Wqgp_vEnWCM https://youtu.be/WVX7anBQHkY

And tons telling females how to appear masculine: https://youtu.be/zUwWpAwj8N4 https://youtu.be/GN-wRxZGvaA https://youtu.be/c4ZUYVbxu6Y https://youtu.be/vtn91Zb1y0U

[–]SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, they only use masculinity & femininity to refer to "gender expression", instead of what they are collectively called: gender.

They hate sex, but they like all the terms that refer to it: male, female, boy, girl, man, woman

They worship gender, but hate the terms that refer to it: masculinity, femininity

So they pretend sex doesn't exist & all the terms associated with it are actually gender. It's because a person can be called "a male" or "a boy" or "a man", but not "a femininity". So if you describe them for what they are: feminine male/boy/man – their sex becomes more important than their gender, as the noun part is more legitimate than the adjective part. The noun is the identity. They want to erase their own sex & focus only on their gender, so they attempt to erase sex in general, by exchanging the definitions of sex & gender.

In transgender-land sex refers to masculinity & femininity & gender refers to male/female, boy/girl, man/woman.