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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

  1. Where does it get into suicide rates? Can you copy and paste it because that’s a lot to read and it kind of sounds like bullshit

  2. Gender is a social construct. Meaning society reinforces it. Society as a whole don’t see transwomen as women or transmen as men. Even if they did, transwomen aren’t women and transmen aren’t men. If you are a male who has legal documents stating you are female, you have lied on those legal documents. It’s that simple. If transwomen were female, they wouldn’t be transwomen.

  3. I don’t “force split you” into other groups. YOU ARE NOT A PART OF MY GROUP. You force entry into groups that you don’t belong in. You force entry into spaces you don’t belong in. Stop blaming women for being women and not wanting to share spaces or even their very sex/gender with their oppressors. And stop comparing yourself to Holocaust victims. You are not a female. You are not a woman. You are not the victim, the women and girls whose spaces, rights, and language you colonize are the victims. Fucking stop.

  4. You are not a woman. You are not a female. What is so hard to understand? Why should women be okay with making it easier for males to LARP as us? You clearly don’t seem to understand the concept of females wanting their own spaces or having boundaries, and that’s exactly one of the reasons why we don’t want you in our spaces pretending to be us.

  5. Nobody is sending you to a gas chamber. This comparison is so fucking disgusting. You are the one ignoring facts. I don’t have to care about your interests or your life, I’m not invading your space. I’m not lying about my sex, I’m not actively deceiving people, I’m not stripping away the rights and safety of 50% of the population then blaming them for my struggles while I shit on their rights. You are the one doing those things. The fact that you have the nerve to compare yourself to Holocaust victims as you do all of those things is fucking sick.

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Where does it get into suicide rates? Can you copy and paste it because that’s a lot to read and it kind of sounds like bullshit

It's literally the second study linked. https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/MHRJ-05-2014-0015/full/html

We are not directly or indirectly responsible for the lives (or deaths) of trans people. -(from your prior post)

Radfems advocating for the inability to access medical care (in some cases trying to block it until 25) makes them responsible. I don't care about how you FEEL it makes you heroes for increasing suicide rates, it objectively increases them.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I didn’t say shit about someone being 25. I said they should be adults. And nobody is responsible for suicide other than the person committing it.

[–]pippiTheLongstocki[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

P. You force entry into groups that you don’t belong in.

It's non-inclusive logic, which was applied to jew in the nazi state

Nobody is sending you to a gas chamber.

You're just going to kills us all triggering millions of suicides and don't worry about it at all

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don’t compare yourself to Holocaust victims or women saying no to you with nazis. That’s a disgusting sentiment that trivialises the torture and genocide of millions.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Stop. Comparing. Yourself. To Holocaust victims.

It’s not bad that it’s “non inclusive.” It’s a female space. It’s a sex based space. It’s meant for females. It’s very nature is “non inclusive” for a reason.

I’m not killing you. I’m not forcing you to commit suicide. And I’m not telling others to murder you. You’re not a victim, you’re just not a woman and women don’t have to pretend that you are or sacrifice their spaces for you.

[–]pippiTheLongstocki[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Stop. Comparing. Yourself. To Holocaust victims.

Sorry, I will not stop. I understand, it triggers GC as well. Nobody want to be reason of Massacre. But it's main point of my thread: you're just avoiding this true, and ban when I explain why it comparable. It's just happened in the discord server - this censorship. It's exactly idea of this thread. Discuss it, do not censor it.

I’m not forcing you to commit suicide

Well, you actually are. You're going to destroy my stealth and life.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You’re fucking insane and I’m done. The level of narcissism you must possess to think that it is justified to equate yourself to Holocaust victims is just not something I have the energy to deal with. It’s fucking disgusting. It’s not comparable at all, and it’s a slap in the face to those victims and their families to pretend it is.

If fighting for my rights, safety, and sex not to be destroyed by narcissistic, unstable, mentally ill misogynistic men (you) leads those men to suicide then 1. They obviously had other issues going on, 2. Oh fucking well. It would still be your choice to kill yourself, and you’d have had no assistance for encouragement from me. It would still be 100% your choice. You can’t hold the threat of suicide over people’s heads as ammunition to guilt us into sacrificing our needs and our sex based rights for you. If you feel you have to kill yourself because females deserve and have and will fight for our rights then you have much deeper problems than dealing with feminists. Emotional blackmail, guilt trips, and projection don’t work on me.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Like- imagine killing yourself because females have rights that you aren’t allowed to undermine. That’s ridiculous.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

One man wanted me to date him or to sleep with him, even thought he knew I am lesbian, and when I was saying "no" - he was threatening me with suicide. It is very coercive controlling behaviour. It is basically terrorism "Do what I say or X will die", just in this case "X" is the person themselves.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s just infuriating to me that this person is trying to equate committing suicide because females don’t want to hand over their rights to TW to the Holocaust. Suicide is self inflicted. Yes I understand that circumstances in someone’s life can lead to suicidal ideation, but to try to say that women having rights that tw aren’t allowed to disrupt is comparable to gas chambers is fucking sick. I’m sure that some Holocaust victims did commit suicide (because of the atrocities they endured and the loved ones they watched suffer and die), but the vast majority of them were murdered, starved, experimented on (against their will, unlike trans people who voluntarily let people experiment on them), abused. And here this poster is, acting like TW have anything in common with people who were snatched out of their homes, forced into ghettos and concentration camps and brutalized. The Jewish people (he keeps saying Jews, though I know there were other Holocaust victims) who suffered and died throughout the Holocaust were killed because of what they are, he’s talking about killing him self because we won’t pretend he’s something he’s not. The narcissism and lack of self awareness knows no bounds.

[–]kwallio 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Abuser logic. eta - I meant pippi's logic was abuser logic, not you.