I don't think inherently. I believe GNC males are more of a threat to the hierarchical order. Men are seen as superior, and femininity is seen as inferior. So for a man to perform femininity means that he is giving up his superior status. Society is disturbed by that. But as far as sexual threats, I don't know. Highly GNC males are viewed as effeminate gay men, and effeminate gay men are seen as weak. Although gay men have also been tagged as child molesters and corrupting influences in the past, so maybe it's not that clear cut. I don't think heterosexual GNC men are part of the public's consciousness, though, or maybe only on the periphery.

I don't think heterosexual GNC men are part of the public's consciousness

I think they're in that category of pervert, deviant, sexual fetishist. That is a category in public consciousness. Which isn't a good one. It's also ambiguous in that it covers very mild things to sexual criminality.

I'll post them if it's all right with you. I've been trying to think of more ideas for threads.

I thinking of another one recently. "What do you think is going to happen to the politics of gender in the Western world in the coming years."

Ha I must be missing the old sub to scratch that question.

For me it's probably got worse. There is a full backlash I think going on and crossdressers are kind of caught in it.

But are you turned on by seeing yourself as a woman and/or as feminine? I think that's what autogynephilia is. I'm not really a believer in Blanchard, though.

It's like I'm attracted to being feminine and attracted to dominant women. I see trans woman and think that's not me.

But I can see the overlap with people who do identify as transwomen.

Would I eventually id as a trans woman. I don't think so. But that's one of those impossible what ifs. Certainly if I was a woman, a lot of me desires would not be socially prohibited. But I just don't see myself as a woman or transwoman. Even if I see some of my traits as related to trans.

But then there is that background question. Is masculinity/femininity a thing in itself?

Like I think it is a thing but how much of a thing? For instance I can think of it as an empty but natural category.

For instance, I think names are natural to humans. That's a natural category people have.

Or aggression. Aggression is natural. Masculinity can be natural. That association can be natural.

But how about other traits?

Can they all be linked back to something like on trait like aggression or power?

Ha, I'm afraid the appeal is lost on me. I can't understand what people find attractive about it. I just see it as socially harmful.

But I can see the appeal of masculinity, I mean what others find attractive about masculinity. And I see masculinity in others, including women. I recognise that as a form of masculinity.

More with men than women, it seems. Because males are associated more with fetishes and paraphilias. I don't think extremely GNC women are viewed as fetishists ever. We might be seen as ugly, freakish, try-hards, pretenders, confused, or what have you, but I don't think we're seen as perverse or threatening. Or at least not nearly as often as men are.

That makes sense. But women aren't as likely to commit sex crimes and I guess there is the physical threat aspect too.

I think it exists. I believe the new population of "gay trans men" include autoandrophiles among them. But not exclusively. There are people in that category trying to escape womanhood for other reasons.

Obviously escaping society through transition isn't something I'd think is a good idea. I think they would likely detransition.

But I think transmen can be happier with transition. That appears true.

Don't want to doxx myself, but between 50,000 and 75,000. It's a small city. But there are bigger ones within a day's drive. I haven't reached out to the gay community at all, so it's possible there are more GNC women here than I'm encountering just randomly on the street.

Ah right I wasn't sure of the size.

I found I didn't quite relate to the trans community, not the gay community and a lot of the "fetish" community are are focused on attraction to men. I didn't fit all that. I did like feel at home in the fetish club, where there are compatible women. But that's so rare an environment.

I guess outside of that I'd be viewed as "hon" now.

Nah, truth be told, I don't want to in this political climate. It wouldn't be good for my mental health considering most GNC women are now disavowing womanhood. I don't want to run the risk. At one point I thought I might like to meet them, but not really anymore. I'll just stick to my male friends.

Ah right you're finding that harsh.

Have you met transmen?

I guess I've become more GC over time? I was really GC-leaning for quite a while, trying to straddle both sides. I'm still quite moderate, but the banning of our old sub really "peaked" me, as the GCs say. I'm still a gender abolitionist. I wish gender would be eradicated. But at the moment I'm most concerned with things like child transition and the fact that media and corporations are trying to cancel anyone who doesn't agree with the party line.

The lack of debate annoys me. I'd be more in the trans realist camp. I think the suppression is having negative effects. But I'm also aware that there is an anti trans backlash going on. Maybe I feel it here more in the UK.

Well good to chat again.