Both: What do you think of the new Super Straight movement?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Lol no. Asking for our own sexualities to be respected has nothing to do with anyone else’s. It never said people weren’t straight, they just weren’t super straight. Otherwise there’s have been a lot of informing people that an interest in say, transwomen and women means they are bisexual.

Of course it doesn’t believe TWAW/TMAM..it’s a recognition of SEXual orientation and the SEX of the individual. Genderism doesn’t come into sexuality. The entire point was the need for transgender people to stop ignoring the existence of their sex and the fact that sexuality, homosexuality in particular, is not a preference or choice.

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You are actively arguing for other people’s sexualities not to be respected. It could have been cis sexual or orthodox sexual or a million other things that didn’t imply a hierarchy, but instead you create a hierarchy and use it to denigrate trans people and those who aren’t as anti trans as you. It’s just another way to be shitty to trans people.

You don’t have to be attracted to trans people but you also don’t need to insult us and those who actually respect us.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

The heirarchy is only in your mind. Cis would validate genderism so it couldn’t be used. Orthodox sexual insinuates there is something unorthodox about homosexuality or bisexuality. There is no denigration in our wording but plenty in yours.

How is there any insult in people saying they have a sexuality that excludes some people? Like quote me all this hatred and vitriol or stop claiming it.

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For I believe the fourth time there’s nothing wrong with not dating trans people, but a marketing campaign about how trans people are so gross that being attracted to them makes someone less straight and how the people who don’t like us are SUPERior is pretty obviously transphobic.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

And for the fourth time to you, it’s not a marketing campaign to say transgender people are gross. Clearly you cannot back up this statement you keep making.

Super has already been defined for you as meaning particularly or especially. You are the one who keeps saying that not being extremely straight is somehow gross or inferior. You are the one choosing to interpret super as meaning superior and not the definition provided for you.
Not surprising given the absolute insistence of you and other TRA to ignore the existence of sex and other people’s sexual orientations.

You are inventing problems over a meme you choose to misinterpret in order to frame yourself as the victim of hate, when all that happened was a bunch of people got tired of being called bigoted for having a sexuality that does not include everyone.

Nobody has said that being less straight or more homosexual/bisexual is disgusting or inferior except you. Confront your own homophobic ideas before putting words in the mouths of others.

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Super has already been defined for you as meaning particularly or especially.

That’s not the full definition but even using your limited definition that still says you are more straight than straight people who are trans inclusive. That’s still a hierarchy implying they are lesser or not entitled to their own sexuality.

The entire concept says that straight is inferior to “super straight” which can only come by virtue of negative value associated with being open to dating trans people.

The hypocrisy of telling other people they aren’t entitled to their own sexuality while claiming that is what is happening to you is just painful.

Not to mention the fact that by your definition I would probably be a gay man while you are extra straight, but still call me homophobic.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

And again you equate more straight with being superior, not with being exclusively heterosexual. Weird how you ignore that there are homosexual men and women who also describe themselves as super gay or super lesbian. Your issue is only with straightness and perceiving it as ranking above homosexuality or bisexuality. Seriously, you should address your issues with that. It’s an extremely homophobic stance to take. You are the only person I’ve seen choose to interpret being less straight than super straight as inherently negative or insulting.

Yes, I identify you as a homosexual male. That doesn’t mean your statements can’t be homophobic. That’s just silliness.

Rather than repeat those facts to your face which you consider basically a hatecrime, some people decided to simply qualify that their straightness is not flexible by making a subsection for themselves. It didn’t take straight away from anyone, didn’t correct falsehoods like ‘straight people are sexually attracted to both sexes’. They literally othered themselves from qt-thinking circles. How the fuck is that dictating anyone else’s sexuality? Like, without your deliberate misinterpretations and reaching there isn’t a thing to be crying about.

You could just..choose to not interpret things as victimising you.

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And again you equate more straight with being superior, not with being exclusively heterosexual.

Straight people are exclusively heterosexual. This is the problem. You are dictating other people’s sexuality which crying crocodile that it’s being done to you.

Weird how you ignore that there are homosexual men and women who also describe themselves as super gay or super lesbian.

Has all the same problems but I’ve never actually seen anyone use anything but “super straight”

Yes, I identify you as a homosexual male. That doesn’t mean your statements can’t be homophobic.

So you a self identified not just straight but “super straight” person will tell someone you see as a gay man what is hhomophobic as well telling straight people they aren’t actually straight, just some lesser degree. Lord high mayor of sexuality apparently.

You could just..choose to not interpret things as victimising you

You could just... choose to stop participating in efforts to shame people for being attracted for trans people

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Except heaps people who call themselves straight are sexually oriented towards both sexes. Everyone who calls themselves straight but would date males and transmen is not heterosexual by definition. Would you prefer people correct them on their actual bisexuality or allow them their label and make another for the people who are heterosexual exclusively? Somehow you are currently complaining that people were corrected and hurt by being corrected when that’s not what happened.

I never identified my sex or orientation to you. You have also guessed incorrectly. Way to go making even more claims you pull from thin air and then cry that everyone is doing this thing you cannot produce evidence of.

I called you homophobic for repeatedly saying that less straight is disgusting and an insult. Because it’s a homophobic sentiment.

It had nothing to do with shaming trans people or those attracted to them. (You’d understand this if you stopped saying that orientations other than super straight are inferior or hurtful) and everything to do with establishing that there are sexualities that exclude some people and that is not a crime or an act of hate, all without making anyone call themselves bisexual over their bisexuality. Somehow this is dictating what others are attracted to? Sure jan. whatever you gotta tell yourself to keep the gender dogma strong.

Keep victimising yourself when you see people have a sexuality you don’t like. Wont help anyone but you seem to enjoy feeling like people all over the world care so much about you personally that they seethe all day long.

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Except heaps people who call themselves straight are sexually oriented towards both sexes. Everyone who calls themselves straight but would date males and transmen is not heterosexual by definition.

This is again you trying to dictate other people’s sexuality.

Would you prefer people correct them on their actual bisexuality or allow them their label and make another for the people who are heterosexual exclusively?

Again the presumption that they are wrong about their own sexuality but you know better than them.

I never identified my sex or orientation to you. You have also guessed incorrectly.

My mistake I guess. I thought you were the one who said they were “superstraight” and into men.

I called you homophobic for repeatedly saying that less straight is disgusting and an insult. Because it’s a homophobic sentiment.

Never said it was disgusting. I said you think trans people are so disgusting that associating with us brings someone down in the hierarchy of straightness, which again is being created by the “super” straight people themselves.

It had nothing to do with shaming trans people or those attracted to them.

They are literally saying that being attracted to trans people makes them less straight while creating a superior level of straightness. It is directly shaming people for being inclusive of trans people and it is wild that you are just denying that simple fact.

all without making anyone call themselves bisexual over their bisexuality

More telling other people what their sexualities are.

Keep victimising yourself when you see people have a sexuality you don’t like.

They didn’t need to create a hierarchy to shame people who are trans inclusive, but they did. This isn’t about them not being trans inclusive, but about them setting up a system to shame those that are.

Wont help anyone but you seem to enjoy feeling like people all over the world care so much about you personally that they seethe all day long.

Trans people are under greater legal attack now than in decades. Now that gay rights are a less popular target to attack by the general public conservatives are turning their aims to banning transition and making life as hard as possible for us. Mocking people who are accepting of us doesn’t help.

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Yep

[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are actively arguing for other people’s sexualities not to be respected.

I mean, so are you. Heterosexual people are not attracted to the same sex, homosexuals are not attracted to the opposite sex. Insisting that their sexuality should now include the sex that the whole term exists to exclude (and moreover, a term that also has a history of violence aimed against the people identifying with it) is invalidating. The only sexuality and gender that are to be respected are the ones that literally don't mean anything and can include whatever anyone wants. I don't think it's respectful in the least to take words used to define certain people targeted by violence and discrimination for being a certain way, and proclaim these words invalid and in fact, tools of violence by virtue of not including everyone and everything else under the sun. Actually, I'd call that the opposite of respectful.