Looking for both trans and GC people to work towards stopping predators from accessing our respective spaces

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[–]comradeconradical 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

Ok, so you don't want me as a member because I'm contrary to your opinion, or what?

I always advocate for third spaces for transgendered people. That is the best solution to keeping female spaces safe.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

Our group was founded on mutual agreement and respect. Since it consists of GC feminists and trans people, both groups of people are working on common goals, not just focusing on one group's needs and protection, but both. If a person might disregard or debate the legitimacy or needs of one group but not the other, this is not the group for them.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

Which to some looks like a feminist group arguing to make female spaces open to males who perform femininity at an acceptable level, an anti feminist act.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

I suppose that's where some gender critical feminists will disagree with each other. I can't really speak on those members' behalf.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

I don’t think anyone can call themselves feminist whilst arguing for the removal of women’s rights to separation from males. It’s supporting men, not women.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (23 children)

I guess that's an argument you would have to take that up with them then, all I can say is they consider themselves gender critical radical feminists and I met them on Ovarit.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Nah. Libfems don’t learn. Radical feminism does not involve deciding some men are special and get to be women if they dress right/have more surgeries/have larped as a woman for fifty years.

Men’s privilege activism doesn’t belong on ovarit and I’m sorta glad I don’t bother with it much.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

You may want to if you don't think it belongs on there. But I haven't seen any sort of men's privilege activism there. I guess you can have similar discussions about who is a legitimate GC radfem much like we trans people have discussions and arguments about who is a legitimate trans person!

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Advocating for males who perform femininity to a certain degree to gain any access to any space for females is mens privilege activism. Males do not have any right to female spaces. Seperate third spaces is acceptable, but again, males cannot seriously expect to ask women to pick up their fight without acknowledging that it’s men’s activism. It’s certainly not feminism is any form since it is not for the benefit of women. It’s to the benefit of men who say/believe they are women.

Actually radical feminism is a pretty clearly defined topic academically and politically. Men’s wants and desires and needs do not form any part of it.

If ovarit has started accepting transwomen or male posters, or is happily peddling things like ~male bathrooms are feminist~ it’s too far gone to fix.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

Ovarit has stated since the beginning that they accept men, I don't believe they were ever barred from joining. And I suppose I'll have to take your word on the rest, and I'm going to have to just take all of our GC member's word that they're GC radfems. I mean, they can check out this thread and see your opinions on them and respond if they want, maybe they'll say they're libfems after all but it's not really my place to accuse them of being anything other than what they say they are.

[–]comradeconradical 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hm why should any male NEED to access female spaces though? I think both groups would benefit from third spaces.

Is it disrespectful to acknowledge the different needs of both groups? This reminds me of being called a bigot for realizing biological differences do matter. What other solutions have you determined other than separation?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Everyone would surely benefit from more unisex single stalls. I don't have any reason why any male should other than certain trans women (trying to use the lingo here, sorry if I'm making anything confusing).

It's not disrespectful to acknowledge different needs at all and both groups acknowledge our different needs, but we're all people coming together based on our shared beliefs. We respect each others' different needs. We are just starting the group and trying to find people to get involved, so we haven't come up with anything beyond that yet. This post was created in the hopes that we could find more people to further the discussion :)