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[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

comrade they spent tens of millions of dollars doing this dance when orange father was elected. The "all roads lead to russia" crowd has lost all credibility.

That you call factual reportage "RUSSIA PROPAGANDISM REEEEEE" is no longer an effective argument to lay against anyone. You may as well accuse them of racism whilst you are at it

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

comrade they spent tens of millions of dollars doing this dance when orange father was elected.

Oh, you're pushing the Russian/Trump line on the Muller report too?

1) Donald J. Trump and 18 of his associates had at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks, or their intermediaries, during the 2016 campaign and presidential transition.

2) The Mueller report cost about $40 million, and recovered about $42 million in seized assets. The cost to the taxpayer was a small profit.

The "all roads lead to russia" crowd has lost all credibility.

Trump put the sycophant Barr as the head of the DoJ, who:

1) Shut down the investigation
2) Released an incorrect summary saying that they found no collusion, then didn't release the report itself until the news cycle had moved on.
3) Protected Trump from being subpoenaed in the later investigation following up on his crimes, which were out of scope of the Mueller report, but the report still noted what many of them might have been, and that he had not been exonerated.

That you call factual reportage "RUSSIA PROPAGANDISM REEEEEE" is no longer an effective argument to lay against anyone.

You think that the invasion of Ukraine is justified because 1600 years ago, Russia's borders included Ukraine?

No one else does.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Wait wait wait this changes everything! People in national government had CONTACTS WITH FOREIGNERS?

Stop the presses!

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

No, not in the national government.

The collusion was between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

oh wait my bad, people who were 100% guaranteed to be in national government. They should DEFINITELY not try to establish working relationships before the handoff. Should have sent orangemanbad UNDER the jail for that.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

oh wait my bad

Agreed.

They should DEFINITELY not try to establish working relationships before the handoff.

Oh, you think the mueller report was investigating legitimate declared meetings?

The collusion was between the Trump campaign and the Russians, to use Russian modification and the troops from olgino to attack the Hillary campaign.

It is illegal not to declare any thing of value given by a foreigner to a campaign.

It's also illegal to obstruct justice.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Collusion to ______________

I eagerly await your link to the court cases in re: obstruction

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

When Trump put Barr at the head of the DoJ, he stopped all the proceedings against him. As well as buried the evidence of obstruction in the mueller report by simply lying about it, and not releasing the report until the news cycle has moved on.

That doesn't mean he's not guilty. That means he used his position to shut down the investigation.

The investigation produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions;
and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions.
Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice.

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Collusion

  to

    do

      what

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The Russians were offering the Trump campaign their misinformation regarding Clinton's, and the information from the hack of the DNC servers.

They also made attempts to breach voting machines.