Woman Euthanized in Belgium Heard Screaming by Loved Ones as She was Suffocated by Pillow

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[–]SueBoyle 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

This story is most likely fabricated, because every assisted suicide system that I have read about requires that the patient must do it on their own.. the patient must pick up the glass and drink the drug, it cannot be force fed to them. And they damn sure can't suffocate you with a pillow.

This is nonsense

[–]DirewolfGhost 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Your faith in the system is like that of a child.

[–]Dontcaretoday 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Lol forget about the system, even if it was legal would you really expect there to be multiple psychopath nurses right there that are gonna be cool taking turns suffocating a screaming person?

[–]DirewolfGhost 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would expect psychopathic female ilk to be drawn to rich hunting grounds. Just like pedos are drawn to children's activities.

[–]EDDIESPAGHETTI 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

reported for dragging down the conversation.

[–]DirewolfGhost 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

And you felt the need to announce that because...?

[–]EDDIESPAGHETTI 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

go fuck yourself.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And that's not dragging the conversation down? 🙄

[–]EDDIESPAGHETTI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

no, actually it isnt. if you approach me in a civil manner, that is what i will do for you.

if you approach me like you are toying with me, i will tell you to go fuck yourself.

be nice and i will be nice.

be stupid and i will get stupid.

[–]makesyoudownvote 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your faith in thegatewaypundit.com is even worse.

I'm not the guy who posted that, but I completely agree with him. That's not to say that none of this is believable, but the language of the article betrays a very clear bias and message. The sequence of events is similarly unlikely, individually sure, but in series? I really don't buy it.

What I have noticed with a lot of news stories over the past decade is if you strip out all the biased language, you can usually piece together a story based on the facts presented alone. Using common logic tools like Occam and Hanlons razor lets see what we get from this.

Facts

  • The woman was diagnosed with a terminal illness and chose to end her life.

  • She took the cocktail designed to kill her and she didn't die.

  • A Nurse suffocated her with a pillow while she screamed in pain.

Now let's look at those facts in a slightly different light.

  1. She takes the cocktail and it doesn't work. No execution method has ever been fool proof, people have survived nooses, electric chairs, firing squads and the cocktails taken for execution. In fact this is a known problem with lethal injection especially and bureaucratic red tape is known to be what has kept them from adopting the same cocktails used for animal euthanasia which is known to be more effective, but will still not be 100% and may react extremely differently to different people.

  2. So let's say she took them of her own volition and by random circumstance she had a bad reaction. It happens. She may be screaming from pain from a painful bad reaction, or she may be screaming because she's high as all getup, or maybe she's screaming because they took her off her normal pain meds in order for this cocktail to have a better chance of success.

  3. A compassionate nurse realizes the right thing to do is to assist and help her end the suffering faster. This happened with hangings too, sometimes there was someone there to pull down sharply after a failed drop to help snap the neck and prevent suffering. In slaughter houses even when they try to use humane methods there is often a person wirh a club, or a captive bolt pistol or even a traditional firearm to finish the job when the "humane" slaughtering methods fail. This nurse may have been something of a hero in that case. They were willing to do what no one else would.

Notice this story changed NONE of the facts and paints a very different, but also infinitely more likely scenario.

[–]William_World 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

i don't think that's true cuz people are sometimes in such a bad shape that they're paralyzed or in so much pain they can't do something like lift their arm, but they still should be able to end the suffering if they want. This story is obviously fake tho. Might be religious people who are against suicide who made it up.

[–]SueBoyle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This story is obviously anti-assisted suicide.

i don't think that's true cuz..

You think based on no information, but I have researched many of the assisted suicide programs worldwide.

As a rule, assisted suicide programs require that the patient take the action to end his or her life, which would not allow the doctor or nurse to suffocate the patient with a pillow.

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

i've actually been thru it and you're wrong it can be decided by people with power of attoryney for example. i gave you examples of why that may be.

[–]SueBoyle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah but all said and done I don't think suffocating the patient with a pillow is following standard protocol.

I appreciate that if you went through this with a relative or a loved one then I appreciate that you probably have knowledge about this but you have to agree that usually the patient has to take the action himself, as a rule.

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

yeah it's probably fake news

but i just had to correct a wrong statement, sorry

[–]SueBoyle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No problem whatsoever. Have a wonderful day.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

When in doubt go to the source.

https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/1457296305/de-middelen-voor-euthanasie-waren-op-dus-werd-alexina-36-gedood-met-een-kussen

This wasn't elected suicide.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Just outright murder then.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That ol' slippery slope

[–]SueBoyle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I like slippery slopes... It makes me become aroused.

[–]SueBoyle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I couldn't get that page to translate, but either way I know something's not right with that story.

Elected suicide or otherwise, it's never going to wash when doctors smother a patient with a pillow.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Nasty shit like that happens all the time to old people in hospitals.

Maybe you have the right idea.

[–]SueBoyle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am a fully licensed board certified internet doctor.

My professional name is Marcus Welby, but my girlfriend's call me Eddie spaghetti.

I am full-blooded Jewish, just to be clear about that.

[–]monkeymagic 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

have you ever been in jail for an extended period of time or are you just a fucking loudmouth, privileged idiot?

[–]EDDIESPAGHETTI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i am busy fucking your mom in her mouth, call me back later.

[–]BobOki 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If real we should hear about the lawsuit and criminal charges soon enough.

[–]SueBoyle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Hey don't get all lawyer happy on me.

[–]BobOki 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

America is now founded on lawsuits, and it is sad, but I would think in this case a lot of millions is in call for and people in jail for murder. Meds did not do it, go get more meds, they expect to die peacefully. In this case they were murdered. Someone call Legal Eagle!

[–]SueBoyle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am a board certified internet attorney.

[–]BobOki 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am just certified ;)

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In Belgium since 2002, you can perform euthanasia on someone else. [E]uthanasia is defined as intentionally terminating life by someone other than the person concerned, at the latter’s request.

Other reporting seems to be that this wasn't a case of botched euthanasia though. It was when sedatives failed that the nurses tried to put her out of her misery: https://www.newsweek.com/nurses-allegedly-killed-cancer-patient-pillow-sedation-1825599

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The story stinks like a bucket of prawns left out in the sun. My sense is that if it is not entirely made up, it is so inaccurate that it might as well be made up.

Even if the woman was smoothed with a pillow -- unlikely in a case of assisted dying / voluntary euthanasia -- the thing with being smothered is that the pillow muffles any sound and the woman is unlikely to have been able to scream at all, let alone loudly enough to be heard in another room.

One report claims that an autopsy found that Wattiez died of asphyxiation, not because of the drugs they were supposed to use. Hmm, that's a bit worrying, but reportedly the autopsy found that multiple nurses "took turns" suffocating the woman which is ridiculous, an autopsy cannot determine how many people took part!

Having said all that, there are certainly cases of very shady, if not illegal, actions by hospitals, doctors and nurses. So I'm not ruling out a botched case of euthanasia, or even murder. But the story as reported is clearly sensationalised and very likely inaccurate.

[–]WoodyWoodPecker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://youtu.be/EbmQxZkSswI

[–]MyLongestJourney 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unfortunately for Alexina, her death was anything but peaceful. After a cocktail of drugs failed to end her life, European media outlet Le Soir, reported that Alexina was suffocated with a pillow by nurses while her loved ones in another room heard her screams.

I find this very hard to believe. Why suffocate when you can cause a heart attack with a very cheap, efficient and non-detectable method (no,I am not going to reveal it here,even if it's practically common knowledge among health care professionals).

Moreover,how can you scream loudly enough to be heard from another room when you are suffocating,with your mouth and nose covered with a pillow?

[–]Ethnocrat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is such BS.