UK Government Bans Anti Capitalist Material From English Schools

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[–]jet199 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

I'm sure this is about banning particular ideologies rather than criticism of capitalism. Capitalism is the system we happen to find ourselves in, like feudalism before it, and you can't do much to change that without changing almost every variable in the world as it stands currently. Certainly every movement which has tried to get rid of capitalism so far has failed. It's something which won't leave us until there's something more practical to replace it, and we likely won't see that coming until it comes.

[–]Chipit[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Why is your whole comment shot through with "we have to get rid of capitalism" as something that must be done, no options? Huh?

Uh, it's the most successful system ever devised by the human race. It has resulted in unprecedented levels of wealth for the whole world. The past few decades have seen people who literally shit in holes able to afford mobile phones and flush toilets. Get rid of it? Why would we want to go back to shivering in the darkness?

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Capitalism is successful because we have learnt to manage it. It's only a positive because it's controlled and directed. Otherwise it just as quickly causes famines because poor starving people can't pay a good price for food. Indeed this is what was happening in the time of Marx which is why he spoke against it, the richest counties had people starving in the streets. But things didn't pan out as Marx predicted because measures were brought in to protect workers and the poor. If we have bad management/politicians then capitalism could become bad again for most of us. That's the main problem, it's a risk, but then all of life's a risk.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

That's not what a famine is. A famine is when there's no food at all. You know, like what happens when Marxism is implemented. The Arduous March, the Great Leap Forward, the Holodomor, they're so titanic that they all have unique names.

But things didn't pan out as Marx predicted because measures were brought in to protect workers and the poor.

The workers betrayed the Marxists. They were supposed to rise up and overthrow the bourgeoisie, but they didn't. They preferred the comfortable slavery under capitalism. The left never forgave them for that. Why do you think today's left have such ugly hate towards the working class? Why do you think they scratched off "class", wrote in "race" in crayon, and rebranded as cultural Marxism?

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That's not what a famine is. A famine is when there's no food at all.

Are you three?

In most cases of famine there's food but it's just not getting to the place of most need. That's exactly how every modern famine has played out. That big Ethiopian famine in the 80s, there was enough food in the country but the government was withholding it from people they didn't like. The holodomor was also purposeful starvation of political enemies, otherwise it wouldn't be counted as a great crime. So these things you mentioned could have been solved by simply buying food in off the free market, but that was purposely not fine for political reasons.

The thing you are missing is that at Marx's time capitalism wasn't at all comfortable. That's why he and many of his followers thought it would collapse in their lifetimes. It was actively made more comfortable by liberal politicians who were scared their businesses would go bust and conservatives scared they'd get the guillotine. The workers didn't betray the Marxists, the world changed, conditions and rights improved via political means and the Marxists stood still fighting a battle which wasn't even taking place anymore.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The workers didn't betray the Marxists

Yeah they did. They were supposed to rise up, and they didn't. Why do you think the current ugly hate for the working class? They're traitors! Marxists are going to replace them with immigrants who are more pliable and who will follow instructions this time.