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[–]kt0998 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Yes, I am Scandinavian. Scandinavia is probably best and most equal place in the world for women. But women and men are still fundamentally the same here as anywhere. When I grew up, my mother did all the chores at house and raising us, even when she was working. I've never seen a family where these duties are split truly equally. I'm not going to list all the things that show we are still male supremacist society but my whole life I've watched women I know letting men walk all over them and being seemingly content with this. In some ways Scandinavian women are worse than women in other places because we probably have the most naive libfem women in the world because the society here can be like one big "safe space" from any unpleasant truths. Men are just as porn sick and media extremely porn-saturated. Scandinavian men are miserable and bitter about being so "emasculated" compared to men in other places and the dynamics between men and women are very passive aggressive and contrived because ultimately almost everyone wants some level of male dominance and female submission in their relationship despite of what the society says. The biggest difference between Scandinavia and less equal countries is that women here are economically more independent, but emotionally and psychologically the underlying dynamics are the same.

I'm not familiar with the Marxist anthropology stuff except from what I've seen it being critically referenced, from my understanding those theories are not taken seriously by modern scientists. I read one book recently about Aborginal Australians that commented on the marxist interpretation of those cultures and the writer believed they were based on early European misinformation about the Aboriginal family structures (Lindqvist's Terra Nullius). I personally do not believe these claims about utopian egalitarian/matriarchal societies because the research is always some white academic imposing their own ideals/politics onto people who have no way to voice their own views. Mosuo for example are called "matriarchy" but from reading about them, it seems like the women do most of the work, marriage doesn't exist and property passes from mother to daughter while men have political power. So it sounds like better place for a woman than some Han-chinese village, but it's also telling that women are the ones doing all the work, while in patriarchal societies women are also used as work horses. It sounds more like men are pretty useless there, not doing much work, not being involved with their children. Another problem is that these societies are always very limited in size and complexity, which means that what applies to them doesn't necessarily apply to large, complex societies. Small hunter gatherer style societies or even primitive agricultural villages can be more egalitarian simply because they haven't reached specialization stage (when people begin to split into professions, classes, castes etc) and need to be more flexible to survive. But once society reaches certain size, it starts to evolve toward the kind of rigidly patriarchal class society that we have seen emerged everywhere in the world.

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but it's also telling that women are the ones doing all the work, while in patriarchal societies women are also used as work horses. It sounds more like men are pretty useless there, not doing much work, not being involved with their children

Exactly. I am no fan of Matriarchy or Patriarchy. In the former, men get to laze around while women do pretty much everything. Women are solely responsible for the kids and a woman's value lies in her being a mother. The same is seen in Patriarchy except that here that women are mostly forced into burden whereas in a matriarchy, women freely let men do nothing. Both are shit for women who wish to be emancipated. So feminists glorifying matriarchy are just naive or wish the namesake superiority which ends up burdening women more and letting men free.

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[–]bbbarbican 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

yeah she's right: as a lesbian, no way am I taking care of het women's brats. But of course that's the only role I would have in this matriarchal fantasy. Unfortunately (and while I find her blog interesting and agree with many of her points) I suspect the author is a polilez and that turns me right off.

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"I suspect the author is a polilez and that turns me right off." Fair point sis