Natural reproduction as the basis for female oppression

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"Pregnancy is barbaric"

"Nothing will change for women as long as natural reproduction remains the rule"

-Shulamith Firestone, Dialectic of Sex

Shulamith Firestone was against pregnancy, childbirth and mothering. In her book, the 'Dialectic of Sex', Firestone states that pregnancy and motherhood are the reasons for the oppression women face. And she makes perfect sense. The fact that women have to tear up their bodies to let the species continue shows how gruesome biology is. And the demands of pregnancy and child rearing make women dependent on men, giving men, the natural upper hand. Also, it deprives women the freedom to pursue intellectual interests, tying them down to the status of incubators and gestators. As far as biology goes, a woman's identify is mainly that she can act as a birthing machine.

Firestone belonged to a class of radical feminists, known as libertarians. They envisioned technology as a means to free women. Firestone argued for artificial wombs to free women from the 'tyranny' of reproduction. While I used to be optimistic like her, now I have come to realise that most women are perfectly happy to breed and birth.

There is another class of radical feminists, known as cultural feminists. They believe that biology actually empowers women. That motherhood is the epitome of womanhood and also that men are jealous of the reproductive abilities of women. That their jealousy and not innate biology is what makes men control and dominate women. The third wave liberal feminism can be traced back to this school of feminist thinking- that femininity is empowering. I don't believe the cultural outlook as I believe there is a reason culture exists in the first place. Blackpill feminism and radical libertarian feminism are the only strains that identify the root cause of oppression- biology.

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[–]CosmicFarmPrisoner 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Nature is brutal. I personally believe this world is a type of hell.

You have to be very sheltered or lucky to think the natural way is the "good" way, and that's what the mother-goddess feminist types are. None of them stick with it when the reality of nature hits them with a body that can't survive pregnancy or childbirth without medical intervention, or with a baby that comes out defective.

Male mammals are just as antisocial and brutal towards females as human males are, no envy needed. They are mutants whose bodies were altered from the female base template to better fight and rape.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Nature is brutal. I personally believe this world is a type of hell.

You have to be very sheltered or lucky to think the natural way is the "good" way, and that's what the mother-goddess feminist types are.

Exactly. Many radical feminists now are mostly blind to reality. The mother goddess types are doing the work for patriarchy.

[–]_Moon_ 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The mother goddess types are doing the work for patriarchy.

That's why I've come to dislike radical feminists just as much as I dislike "third-wave" feminists. It's all just a bunch of gray-haired hippie boomers who believe in all that Woodstock bullshit from the '60s... ...including that notion of men only having been corrupted by muh socialization and often even that cultish belief in a glorious, innocent hunter-gatherer past we can recreate until we're all happy vegans who hold hands and sing Kumbaya to worship father Sun and mother Earth again.

The only religion and/or philosophy I'm willing to trust enough to look into are belief systems that claim that the world is evil, broken, and corrupted and that only a minority of genetic/religious outliers might be able to overcome it.

This is also why I could never become a Christian. It's not "only" the misogyny, the homophobia, the overall weirdness of that relationship between "goyim" and Jews, etc. It starts much earlier: with that notion that creation "declares the glory of the creator", and that examining the beauty of creation will make you realize the existence of a benevolent creator.

Nature is the creation of Satan.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

...including that notion of men only having been corrupted by muh socialization and often even that cultish belief in a glorious, innocent hunter-gatherer past we can recreate.

Exactly. I am tired of radfems romanticising biology and nature. Just get on to Spinster and many are obsessed with motherhood as women's defining power. Radfems are sounding more and more like conservatives when it comes to women.

The only religion and/or philosophy I'm willing to trust enough to look into are belief systems that claim that the world is evil, broken.

I already believe that. I used to cling to optimism. Really believed nature is good and all. But now, it strikes me as ignorance. Morality and virtue are human creations. Humans had to create virtues to tone down primitive instincts. That pretty much sums up the savagery nature is. And then, when I see radfems praise nature, I can't help but laugh.

This is also why I could never become a Christian.

I was a Christian. But the deep seated misogyny and evil running through Bible made me change my mind. Life has been easier as an atheist. Giving up faith helped me to understand what I really wanna do/not do.

Nature is the creation of Satan.

Amen to that!

[–]_Moon_ 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Radfems are sounding more and more like conservatives when it comes to women.

I guess that this has become worse since the transgender cult became so powerful a few years ago. Now everyone who opposes transgenderism calls themselves "gender critical" or "radical", even though they often oppose transgenderism for all the wrong reasons. Then you have a bunch of homophobic boymom housewives loving their "masculine" and hating "unmasculine" men and infiltrating all these "radical" / "gender critical" places, lol.

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Single moms specially are the worst!

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now everyone who opposes transgenderism calls themselves "gender critical" or "radical", even though they often oppose transgenderism for all the wrong reasons.

Aah, yes, finally somebody said that. Trans ideology is nonsense. But the many who oppose it are mostly conservative fundamentalists. It baffles me that radical feminists can't see through their paradoxical claims.

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

What a sad rape rape world we live in!

[–]kt0998 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The "sacred femininity" crap makes me sick. Our entire history is nothing but being raped and impregnated against our will, spending nine month sick and having our genitals ripped in agonizing childbirth, either dying bleeding out from our orifices or surviving to do it again and again. Female biology is HELL. The only thing that males have that can even remotely compare to this brutality and dehumanization is war, but that's not absolute biological reality to them.

And you are right, this fetishzising of femininity is who we got this bullshit backwards pro-misogyny "feminism" where every demeaning gender norm needs to be celebrated. It's COPE for women who can't handle reality and don't want to give up their favorite forms of female inferiority.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's COPE for women who can't handle reality and don't want to give up their favorite forms of female inferiority.

True af. Thank you for not sugarcoating it. I am fed up of feminists who keep on whining about change while not realising that us women have have a helluva lot to change.

Female biology is HELL. The only thing that males have that can even remotely compare to this brutality and dehumanization is war, but that's not absolute biological reality to them.

Exactly. The cost of creating life is disastrous for women. And in the end, women end up being valued by their ability to tear apart their genitals. Nature is ridiculously sick and anyone who romanticizes it is batshit crazy.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

IDK. I see your point, but it's not an either-or. Reality itself is full of paradoxes. That is to say, femininity isn't sacred when there is so much brutality and vulnerability involved in pregnancy and childbirth. But at the same time, creating life is in a way miraculous and powerful.

I think only seeing it as empowering is definitely a cope. But only seeing it as a burden is not entirely reflective of reality either. I have a nephew who I love dearly, he brings light to my world. But it is also true that my sister had to go through hell just to have him. Nature is weird like that.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Mothers are awesome