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[–]Mcheetah[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Like, we all know that lots of evil things have been legal, and that lots of evil laws have punished people who weren't hurting everyone. We all know that. The law doesn't say what's right and what's wrong. It just says what the people in power insist on happening, and how they're going to hurt you for defying them.

I agree with you, except when the laws are actually useful and prevent people from being harmed or causing harm. Illegal immigration causes harm to all those involved, even the "kids in cages" and the illegals getting shot by vigilantes if someone wants to be all liberal about it. Not quite the same thing as banning marijuana or streaming movies over the internet without paying royalties.

The right will take the momentum back eventually, and then they'll be crazy assholes once again. No need to worry about that failing to happen. It's the [pendulum] of history.

I fully agree with that. Only, it wasn't even as far back as the 60s. The right were being authoritarian even as recently as the 2000s after 9/11 happened. That's why politics is always a battle of the lesser of two evils, which right now, is the conservative right. But both sides are generally pretty retarded and want to take away your rights based on moral fagging and self righteousness, abortion being just one example of the right doing that and wanting the government to take away people's bodily autonomy. But yeah, the left is worse right now and started in Obama's second term. Doesn't mean the right doesn't have its Idiot Takes, too. McCarthyism never left; now it's just called Cancel Culture.

Getting back to my main point, the woke has been far more effective in censorship and generally fucking up society than the right has been in a long time. Which is why I don't want them ruining Saidit like they did Reddit.

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I fully agree with that. Only, it wasn't even as far back as the 60s. The right were being authoritarian even as recently as the 2000s after 9/11 happened. That's why politics is always a battle of the lesser of two evils, which right now, is the conservative right. But both sides are generally pretty retarded and want to take away your rights based on moral fagging and self righteousness, abortion being just one example of the right doing that and wanting the government to take away people's bodily autonomy. But yeah, the left is worse right now and started in Obama's second term. Doesn't mean the right doesn't have its Idiot Takes, too. McCarthyism never left; now it's just called Cancel Culture.

Getting back to my main point, the woke has been far more effective in censorship and generally fucking up society than the right has been in a long time. Which is why I don't want them ruining Saidit like they did Reddit.

Couldn't agree more with this part. In fact, I can narrow it down even further. The left became authoritarian in 2014-2015. Somehow, some weird combination of GamerGate and Elliot Rodger and Anita Sarkeesian and Obergefell v. Hodges and Michael Brown broke the left. It was shockingly abrupt. I'd been a Democrat all my life and suddenly I didn't recognize my own party at all.

Illegal immigration causes harm to all those involved, even the "kids in cages" and the illegals getting shot by vigilantes YouTube if someone wants to be all liberal about it.

This part, though? This part is exactly like blaming a pot-smoker for getting the shit kicked out of him by police. "Hey, man, shouldn't have smoked that joint. In a way, you broke your own nose with that nightstick."

[–]Mcheetah[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The left became authoritarian in 2014-2015. Somehow, some weird combination of GamerGate and Elliot Rodger and Anita Sarkeesian and Obergefell v. Hodges and Michael Brown broke the left.

It mainly started in 2011 after the corporations co-opted Occupy Wall Street and started letting these lunatics in, which utterly destroyed that movement using said woke idiots, like that girl named Ketchup. That's when the corporations realized they can use these lunatics to their advantage. (I wasn't even a part of Occupy Wall Street; I just knew a lot of people who were and some of the protesting was fucking up my daily college commute, at the time.)

Soon after that, the whole Trevyon Martin/George Zimmerman thing happened in 2013, which lead to Black Lives Matter becoming a thing.

Then in 2014, the corrupt media tested how far they could get away with outright fucking lying with GamerGate. (GamerGate being about exposing corrupt video games journalism, but said journalists used a completely made-up and bullshit lie about "Zoe Quinn being harassed by sexists" and "misogyny on the internet," and the outside mainstream media ran with the false narrative, which lead to Anita Sarkeesian's career-long-grift beginning.)

Then sometime in 2015, Obama legalized gay marriage, and (he also secretly funded) ANTIFA, leading them to become a thing by recruiting impressionable young idiots on college campuses. 2015 is when the radical left began doing real world violence and getting away with it by corrupt Democratic politicians giving them a permanent "get out of jail free" card, which is what lead to modern-day California and San Francisco.

Then in 2016, after the successful "GamerGate is misogyny" propaganda, they took their virtue shielding to the next level with Ghostbusters 2016, claiming ANYONE who didn't like that shitshow of a movie was "a racist" and proceeded to cancel them.

And of course, Trump "snuck through" the gate and became president, even though the whole plan was to use him as a troll to make Hillary look good. What they didn't account for, was how much hated Hillary was, which is why she didn't even try to campaign. Which is ALSO why in 2020, they over-corrected so much by outright fucking rigging the election, that anyone who isn't an idiot can see Biden didn't get 81 fucking million votes, when even the left didn't want him as president. (Liberal Americans wanted Bernie Sanders and the DNC fucked over Bernie cause he wasn't as mailable of a puppet as Biden.)

Then in 2017, Alyssa Milano began the whole #MeToo and started canceling straight men for literally no reason, which led to Cancel Culture.

Then from 2018 to about 2022, BlackRock started getting involved with Hollywood, funding ESG propaganda from Terminator Last Fate, to Birds of Prey, to the Charlies Angels reboot. But they really targeted their propaganda towards television more.

...And that's how Clown World, slowly but surely, became Clown World. (I'm probably going to make a separate post on all of this later; someone needs to preserve the history.) 2023 was the breaking point for normies, especially with the whole Bud Light thing, and everyday people have had enough. Wokeness is now on its way out, but it'll still be years before it's completely faded away.

Although me mostly being young was to blame, I was a liberal throughout most of this. Not woke; not Progressive. Just a normal liberal. And unlike most people, I don't have a short memory or attention span. I remember all of this shit happening. Now, being a liberal makes you a fascist who calls others fascists, and you're as retarded and literally useless to society as /u/ Cunninlingus. I've ALWAYS been a Constitutionalist, but never loyal to either side of politics. It's the left that changed.

This part is exactly like blaming a pot-smoker for getting the shit kicked out of him by police.

I disagree, considering the dozen or so points I already brought up in the past. As the video I linked before shows, illegal immigration is like trespassing into someone else's house at night, getting your ass kicked by the man living there, then suing because they hit you... Then having a judge take the side of the trespasser/criminal because they're emotionally weak. I can tell you're personally invested in illegal immigration, either yourself or through friends or family, which is why you have such an illogical take on this, but logical in other things. But it's fine; agree to disagree, like I said. We're not going to change each other's minds on this.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with about 80% of this. We're really close to being on the same page. There's just a couple places where we don't see eye-to-eye...

Then in 2014, the corrupt media tested how far they could get away with outright fucking lying with GamerGate. (GamerGate being about exposing corrupt video games journalism, but said journalists used a completely made-up and bullshit lie about "Zoe Quinn being harassed by sexists" and "misogyny on the internet," and the outside mainstream media ran with the false narrative, which lead to Anita Sarkeesian's career-long-grift beginning.)

I was one of the very few people who played Depression Quest before GamerGate started. And, you know what? It was fine. It was a shitty amateur CYOA game, but it was priced at like $3 and I felt like I got appropriate value for my $3. I've spent more on a picture of an ass.

At the time, I thought GamerGaters were insane. But... now it's 2023 and all AAA games are both sexless and aggressively sexist. In the end, the GamerGaters were proven right. Though they might have sort of... been involved in fulfilling their own prophecy.

they over-corrected so much by outright fucking rigging the election, that anyone who isn't an idiot can see Biden didn't get 81 fucking million votes, when even the left didn't want him as president. (Liberal Americans wanted Bernie Sanders and the DNC fucked over Bernie cause he wasn't as mailable of a puppet as Biden.)

Biden is... nothing. He's an old man with some form of progressive dementia. 2020 was a referendum that asked every American the question: who do you want? Trump or Not-Trump? And Not-Trump won.

I don't think the election was rigged at all. I think Biden got 81 million mostly-unenthusiastic votes, and Trump got 74 million mostly-enthusiastic votes. But enthusiasm doesn't really count. A vote is a vote.

2023 was the breaking point for normies, especially with the whole Bud Light thing, and everyday people have had enough. Wokeness is now on its way out, but it'll still be years before it's completely faded away.

I agree that 2023 is bringing change, but I don't think the Bud Light thing is really responsible. Ordinary people don't give a shit about that and probably haven't even heard of it. You know what I think is responsible? The Super Marios Bros. Movie and Barbie. It's like 2023 was the year when the entertainment industry realized: it's stupid to pour vast sums of money in search of four-quadrant support. A single quadrant is probably more profitable.

Which means that - if I'm right - we're about to see movies and TV shows from multiple perspectives. Which is exactly what I've always craved. I don't want to squash any particular perspective; I just want there to be the freedom to represent all of them.

illegal immigration is like trespassing into someone else's house at night

No. My house is my house. No one is allowed in it except for me and my family. But I can't lay claim to a million square miles and say "It's ALL my house." That would just make me an asshole.

I can tell you're personally invested in illegal immigration, either yourself or through friends or family

Truth is, I've only known one illegal immigrant in my life, and she was a white Canadian who was dating my friend.

I'm just a capitalist. I believe that price-fixing always leads to disaster. Jimmy Carter tried price-fixing oil in the '70s and it led to half-mile long lines at gas stations. Markets determine prices. When governments try, they fuck the whole economy to death.

And you know what immigration policy primarily is? It's an attempt to price-fix labor. It's an attempt to say: everyone born in America deserves $40,000 a year, and if anyone is willing to do the job for less, stay the fuck away.

And fundamentally, price fixing will always cause shortages and overruns. It's not just abstract. We probably pay 40% more for food because of our shitty immigration policies.