Do you guys think conservatives are more willing to get along or do you think that leftist are more willing to get along?

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[–]makesyoudownvote 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

I used to think left.

Then I used to think right.

Now I am not sure even moderates do. It's so fucked.

Culturally we have lost the ability to listen or grow. We have isolated ourselves into bubbles of like minded people and forgotten how to have heated but civil discussions.

That's what I love about saidit so far. I can argue with all the far right anti-semites and they are surprisingly better about taking it and arguing back than even the more moderate on sites like reddit.

[–]Erasmus 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The conclusion I came to reluctantly over time is that free speech is a right wing value.

Because the right believes in the idea of truth. The left believes that everything is simply socially-constructed narratives backed by power. And once you go down that path, there's no point in ever listening to your opponents, because they cannot enlighten you to what truth is if you don't even believe in it.

[–]makesyoudownvote 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I strongly disagree. Free speech is literally a liberal value. As is capitalism, freedom of religion, innocent until proven guilty, free press and anti-censorship.

It's just that the left stopped being liberal in anything but name about a decade ago.

The right is put in the position they always are of playing catchup with yesteryear's progressives. The right is arguably more liberal than the left as a result, but that's kind of overstating it.

Also I think the right obviously also relies on faith. Faith they may believe is truth, but in reality this is not any different than the faith the left has in their ideas. Just one is based on the book, while the other is based on a series of loose academic noise.

[–]Mcheetah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The conclusion I came to reluctantly over time is that free speech is a right wing value.

Except when the right tries to censor you for being atheist/non-Christian, tries to make you to do things against your will, such as marriage, alimony, child support, etc., under "protecting the family unit," tries to take away things they see as "harmful" to you, or tries to force you into raising children you're unfit to raise and don't want via banning abortion. ...Which they basically did all throughout the 90s and mid 2000s.

Like a teenager, you're smart enough to understand the basics, but not get the whole picture. And don't get me wrong, I fucking HATE the woke left as much as any sane rational person. The TRUE moral and point is, both sides suck ass and you need to learn to think for yourself. One side of American politics is just always worse than the other in 15-20 year cycles. By around 2025-2030, the right will become radical and authoritarian again, just like the woke left has been since 2011's Occupy Wall Street coup.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They already have become authoritarian again. The final catalyst was the BLM riots.

[–]Mcheetah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're only saying that because you're everything stereotypical about the woke left, so feel personally attacked. Most normal people don't agree with you yet.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What are you talking about? Since when did being libright and not wanting special treatment for certain identity groups become stereotypically woke leftism?

The right radically changed after the riots. Gone are the days of free speech, limited government, free markets, and treating people equally, blind to colors and genders and any sort of identity crap. They got so tired of being falsely accused of things like racism, sexism, hating gays, etc. that they finally decided, "Hey, let's actually be that way just to piss off the libs!". I still don't buy that they're truly motivated by "bigotry", it's just cool and rebellious right now because it goes against the current establishment. An establishment they have every reason to dislike. They also now despise America, their favorite country in history only a few years ago, and the religious ones seem to be phasing Christianity out. They're their own kind of woke now, though still not quite as bad, but almost.

[–]AXXA 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well said. I often find myself spending more time encouraging people to debate civilly and rationally than I do actually debating. Being able to disagree and debate civilly and rationally is the very foundation of democracy. It's like we've almost lost the soul of democracy.

[–]makesyoudownvote 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly this. We have lost the grease of democracy. The gears are falling off as we speak as a result.

[–]DirewolfGhost 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because they do not use the censor's baton. Why are you surprised that those who have suffered banishment for freedom of words are more tolerant of words?

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They don't really have the censor's baton. If they did, I bet they would use it.

[–]DirewolfGhost 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Perhaps. Perhaps it is the nature of the baton to draw in those inclined to the sin of sadistic abuse. There are many fewer inclined to sadistic abuse found among the [insert leftwing slur here] as there is not the opportunity to partake.

[–]Rah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You can argue as much as you like and it wouldnt change the fact you are a niggerfaggot.

[–]makesyoudownvote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can you use it in a sentence?