Why are WotB allowed to break saidit sitewide mod rules?

submitted by Dragonerne from (self.AskSaidIt)

Mods must not remove user comments and posts that are on-topic and made in good faith UNLESS one of these conditions are met:

It's clearly stated in the sub's sidebar that the moderators remove opposing opinions AND the mods must uncheck the sub setting
allow this sub to be included in /s/all as well as the default and trending lists
so that the sub won't appear on /s/all.
The name of the sub must ends with "_positive" or "_negative" to clearly indicate the sub's intentional bias, thus allowing the sub to appear on /s/all.

The WotB sub specifically says the opposite:

Agreement is not a goal; Civil engagement is.

Unity is not a goal; Tolerance of others is.

Conformity is not a goal; Enlightened debate is.

Of course we all know leftists lie and twist everything, so when they say "enlightened debate" they mean censorship and when they say "tolerance" they mean intolerance and when they say "conformity is not a goal" they mean "it is a goal".

But saidit explicitedly doesn't allow mods to censor posts in subs. This is not reddit. We moved away from reddit because we didn't like the censorship. These libtards can go back to reddit if they want censorship or they can have their sub removed from s/all unless they stop censoring people

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[–]bucetao6969 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Ok, you had one plausible scenario that a WOTB broke a site rule, and you pointed that out to an admin/owner.

Now the admin/owner are reviewing the situation.

It doesn't mean "wotb" are allowed to break site rules it simply means the owner/admin is investigating!

Seriously you had to make this post less than 24 hours from your first one?

Bad faith content. Wish I could downvote.

[–]Dragonerne[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I made this post before the admins got pinged but fair point. Maybe I got overtriggered. I hate censorship with a passion.

[–]zyxzevn 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Nobody is doing any "enlightened debate"! What it really means is: Don't be an asshole, nor a dick, nor a cunt.

If you don't agree with the sub's general premise, you can easily become an asshole by spamming your opposing view.
Or be a cunt by complaining about it.
And some viewpoints are dick-ish in essence, or directly disturbing a normal discussion.

Some people like to be dicks or shills and are here with the intend to disturb discussions,
so it can be confusing for moderators.
Personally, I don't think that one should pretend to be someone else (or something else).

Some topics are even forbidden due to laws.
You probably can not discuss self-made explosives, or suicide or crimes.
Some countries do not allow discussion of Hitler, or discussion of Jews / Islam, etc.

If you want to discuss something that is an extreme point in one sub, you can discuss it in a different sub.
Some subs are more intended for very opposite views.
I think the sub-moderators could specify what content they want to see in the sub, but
the whole saidit community does not follow any guidelines anyway. (because "freedom")

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    [–]zyxzevn 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

    Great we have an "enlightened debate"..
    LOL

    I see your main subject is "JEWS"
    Example:

    Hotez is a jew. CNN controleld by jews. NBC controleld by jews. 40% of Joe Rogans political guests are jews.

    I think you have a bias there.

    A discussion could be interesting, but you are very biased.
    And that is probably the reason why they restrict your posts.
    Feel free to complain about jews in some other sub more aligned with your line of thinking.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    A discussion could be interesting, but you are very biased.

    Why is bias a problem?

    Objective findings of evidence and fact is the issue. That's the goal, identify the facts and make the best informed judgment. Based on the best available facts.

    Some are biased because they have identified facts that others refuse to accept.

    Cognitive dissonance suppresses reality.

    [–]brimshae 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Some [objective findings of evidence and fact] are biased because they have identified facts that others refuse to accept.

    Gonna have to use that later.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Why is bias a problem?

    Great question.

    [–]Alphix 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    I think when a group that makes up 2% of the population control essentially all of everything, the bias isn't in the guy calling this out.

    [–]Dragonerne[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think you have a bias there.

    All of it is factual.

    And even if I were biased (I am), that doesn't break the rules on their side bar. In fact, they claim to want to have disagreements and civil discourse.

    Stating facts the moderators don't like isn't being "an asshole, nor a dick, nor a cunt". If they want to ban people that disagree, then they need to make it clear in their sidebar that they do this.

    They don't get to say "We are for enlightened debate" and then also ban anyone naming the jew.

    This is not reddit. We don't have moderators powertripping here.

    [–]brimshae 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    radical terf

    Imagine not wanting some toothpaste flagger waving his dick at you while you're in the bathroom.....

    [–]Matterofprinciple 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Shuuuuuuuuut the fuck up you idiot whining little dribble mark.

    I truly wish it were the case you had been censored, as you weepingly claim. But better heads prevail in the defense of free speech than you or I do you get free reign to "boohoo, mean people online, something something."

    The teat of "authority" don't bear milk, Horatio. Apparently the only thing your mouth is good for is an oral fixation.

    See to that.

    [–]Alphix 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Well, let's make sure we all shadowban this clown in all our subs, see how he likes it.

    [–]Gravi 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    They are pure Reddit folk that even Reddit doesn't want, we either have to get new mods and/or admins or get this through with Mag.

    [–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    They are so far left that they think the democrats are fascists and they'll die defending the jews in power.

    Mag told me he is talking with the mods of the sub but it might take a few days

    [–]Gravi 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    There was this sub called the IronLeft here on Saidit, they were moronic just like the WotB is, they died out rather quick though.

    [–]Alphix 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Their arbitrary and subjective "Rule" of "don't be a dick" basically means any mod can shadowban or... Turtle-ban (whatever) anybody for any comment they disagree with.

    This goes resolutely against sitewide rules. End of discussion, argument, thread, topic.

    [–]Dragonerne[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/comments/b07w/upenelopepnortney_should_be_shadowbanned/12qb4

    One of them even tries to argue that because someone else said "retarded nigger" that this somehow justifies shadow banning me because I name the jew.
    It is mental gymnastics.

    because he goes on excessive rants about Jews to the detriment of the conversation

    Excessive rants :D
    "detriment" of the conversation :D

    Also known as speech that is on topic and civil but that we don't like.

    [–]package 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Because this site was abandoned by the admins long ago and there isn't really any moderation of any kind going on anymore

    [–]bucetao6969 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    False. The admins are still active. The owner actually replied to a thread that I got to /s/all the other day calling out to changes on the website, but he's still mostly inactive I guess.

    [–]AXXA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Subs are allowed to remove comments that are off topic. This is likely the case since it is automod doing the removing. Automod doesn't have any bias.

    [–]Dragonerne[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Saying Larry Fink is a jew when talking about BlackRock is not "off topic".

    Shadow banning all comments mentioning the jew is not "without bias" nor do they state anywhere that they do this kind of censorship.

    [–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    maybe name the jew somewhere they allow that sort of thing and go on with your own life?

    [–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    We are not on reddit. If they censor people, they have to put it in their sidebar and leave s/all

    [–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    do they tho

    [–]Dragonerne[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, welcome to saidit

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Automod doesn't have any bias.

    The Automod said I'm a bitch ass pussy.
    Objectively confirmed.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The owner will get it. Give it a few days.

    [–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    the better question is why are autistic people getting upset about this instead of how many times you haven't washed your hands today