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[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Is this planted evidence of an anti-corporate position?

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, it's not.

It was a poor attempt at going "haha, gotcha!" because the evidence in the article is heavily cherry-picked. I was trying to see how many people were actually convinced that cardiologists were evil, but most people are smart enough to not be voting this Insightful.

Also, still not a shill. If I were a shill, would I still be using this account and struggling so hard to convince you I wasn't a shill? No; I'd have abandoned the account and been more careful next time. And another thing…

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Didn't get me.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

… Good. I actually kinda had you down as somebody who would fall for this sort of thing; good to see I was mistaken.

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    [–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    QUOTE: If you read Part I of this post and found yourself nodding along, thinking “Wow, cardiologists are real creeps, there must be serious structural problems in the cardiology profession, something must be done about them,” consider it evidence that a sufficiently motivated individual – especially a journalist! – can make you feel that way about any group.

    The article was a basic, 'you're stupid if you didn't read to the end'; yet it compares cardiologists to police by way of racism towards ethnic Chinese for robbery? Okay, sure, why not compare to unicorns, mermaids, or any other profession where there's no relevance?

    The first half of the article thrashes, and trashes cardiologists, with plenty of links to support said position, then switches to police by way of comparison to older almost colloquial beliefs; yet fails to produce any links with the second part.

    All we need to look at for po-lice brutality, is Youtube, worldstarhiphop, and liveleak. We all know there are literally hours of bad deeds done. Anyone with half a brain knows all po-lice departments operate off of 2 sets of books; the statues, and internal policies. For an example of internal policies, loitering is often times a crime, but to charge someone with that alone amounts to pissing in the wind for said officer. So, what to do??? Some genius figured out that if you're loitering, then you're taking in all the sites, and sounds of the given environment where such actions are taking place; hence loitering is combined with a very very very bad thing to have on your record: PROWLING. So now, if loitering, you're actually 'loitering, and prowling'.... Prowling is the step before actual physical crime; very bad, and when loitering both go on your record.....

    So again, wtf is the comparison between cardiologists to police by way of racism to Chinese, by way of 'especially a journalist'(in reference to what, wordsmiths, LOL).

    What's my point? there are bad in all professions, there are cheats, fakes, and liars who have the necessary credentials in any profession to pull off the great cons, and have people applaud them for that. Are there bad cardiologists, by way of the article absolutely, are there bad po-lice; LOL.

    No matter the amount of regulations created, it won't change the fact that people cheat there way into credentials, and keep on faking after making it.

    Hence personal responsibility to be fully informed, know your standing, know that everyone may not be what they claim; I'm sorry that's the world, there's no changing it.

    The alternative is to go blindly, and more so ignorantly through life believing all that your told, without ever anything resembling an original thought.

    Now having that said, an anecdote of my own personal experience that I've already shared somewhere.... A friend of mine, was a Colonel in the US Army. He is also still licensed as a perfusiologist. He shared with me why he doesn't do it any longer. He was living in Maryland, making over $150k around 2000. He worked at the VA, and was on call for several surgeons at various hospitals; they were his friends.

    Long story short, he got sick of the lack of care, and the deviancy he personally experienced. He told me of VA doctors that would take a patient that needed several separate surgeries, and just combine them into one, so it'd be cheaper for the VA. He relayed one story of an older gentleman that was having major organ surgery; I believe it was a bypass, but the surgeon decided to go ahead with a leg amputation at the same time. They didn't have the right saw, so it was described to me, that the surgeon used some sort of wire rope cutter; with all his effort he couldn't make it completely through the bone; so snapped the bone like a twig; amputation, and surgery complete! Other than lack of patient wellbeing at the heart of their concerns, nothing else wrong.

    My friend though, as he became closer friends with the different surgeons would go golfing with them. It's in these games of golf that he decided he was done with his career as he'd known it(Now a naturopath/holistic healer), he said the differing surgeons would trade off their patients as prizes for games won; the primary doctor would then refer their patient over to the winner for procedures that were never recommended. He made it clear it wasn't just a couple of doctors, but many.

    Do I distrust doctors, yes, do I distrust, po-lice, yes. Will I call the either, for help? Sure, but with steadied measure of the need, and with plenty of research.

    Only fools rush into anything.

    [–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    [–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 0 fun - 2 days ago then switches to police by way of comparison

    That's "the war on police", i.e. people shooting officers. Not police brutality or any other thing about the police.

    Are there bad cardiologists, by way of the article absolutely, are there bad po-lice; LOL.

    No matter the amount of regulations created, it won't change the fact that people cheat there way into credentials, and keep on faking after making it.

    Hence personal responsibility to be fully informed, know your standing, know that everyone may not be what they claim; I'm sorry that's the world, there's no changing it.

    Yes, but cardiologists aren't more evil than average people – at least, not to the extent implied by Part I. Police weren't being shot in 2015 more than any prior year (except 2013) – and yet journalists cherry-picked enough to cause people to believe that they were.

    Your anecdote is interesting, and it is evidence, but it isn't sufficient to pick up on a general trend. You'd need a wider survey to be sure… yeah, this bit is going to fall on deaf ears and I'm not good enough at explaining things to make it appear that I'm doing anything other than making excuses.

    Sadly, we're human. You've heard of confirmation bias, haven't you? Well, that doesn't strictly apply here, but similar effects occur when you try to look something up online – what's reported, what comes up in searches… Even if you're out in the real world, making surveys and recording data, sometimes research alone isn't enough.

    [–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I read your link, and also wanted to discuss 'confirmation bias'. From Wiki: "Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses.[1] It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias I honestly don't like that word too much; while it can have merit, and validity, at the same time, it's a phrase that if believed in, or relied on too much, can cause the same issues as 'belief'; stating confirmation bias, also shows of 'belief' in that someone else is wrong in their 'belief'.

    Both of the words, hypothesis, and belief, in the way used to define confirmation bias, come very close to defining, and replacing 'life experience'; which is something continually gained from childhood through adulthood to death. I know many subscribe to the notion of adulthood being puberty, but that's just sexually mature. The frontal cortex isn't even fully developed for women somewhere in their mid 20's, and for men a little later.

    My definition of adulthood, is when anyone stops wondering, and realizes they are an adult due to making those truly difficult decisions, and having the full vested responsibility to carry through. I'm not talking about using a condom, or not, or breaking up with someone, I'm talking the decisions that haunt you, enter your dreams, cause you to lose your smile. The decisions that have repercussions perhaps for yourself, but more so for others. What will be this crucible for each person can be different, but once started, some never even notice, others really pay attention. Why?The older you get, the less time you've got to start over(it'll make sense to those that know)

    Mixed with years, and decisions, makes 'life experience'. So, when you look, and think about this, and compare it to the definition of confirmation bias, as well as compare it to our daily lives; well it's being used definitely to re-engineer our society. Just turn on the evening news for examples, open facebook, or perhaps read a tweet; fast unsteady change is everywhere.

    As to the link that falls on deaf ears; yes the world is full of people that cannot explain themselves. It's full of opinions, and studies, and similar, but also fakes, frauds, and at the end of the day, all truth is subjective; the truth that stays, is the truth that has the most money behind it, the most peer pressure, and the most group think behind it; the last 2 aforementioned are usually effects of money.

    But yeah, some cardiologists aren't bad; likewise some shady folks aren't bad as well. The world is full of shades of grey.