New US study finds Millennial men and “dude bros” are *less* supportive of LGBT+ people than older people by BEB in LGBDropTheT

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Not if you use Sci Hub! Best website ever.

Francis becomes 1st pope to endorse same-sex civil unions by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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Limbo (which is what I think you are referring to, instead of purgatory, which was and still is an official teaching) was never part of the church doctrine:

The verdict that limbo could now rest in peace had been expected for years. The document was seen as most likely the final word since limbo was never part of Church doctrine, even though it was taught to Catholics well into the 20th century.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-limbo-idUSL2028721620070420

More quotes from the article:

Limbo, which comes from the Latin word meaning “border” or “edge”, was considered by medieval theologians to be a state or place reserved for the unbaptized dead, including good people who lived before the coming of Christ. (...)

In writings before his election as Pope in 2005, the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger made it clear he believed the concept of limbo should be abandoned because it was “only a theological hypothesis” and “never a defined truth of faith”.

In the Divine Comedy, Dante placed virtuous pagans and great classical philosophers, including Plato and Socrates, in limbo. The Catholic Church’s official catechism, issued in 1992 after decades of work, dropped the mention of limbo.

The official cathecism gathering all the official teachings was only issued in 1992.

Basically, limbo was a drafted theory that was taught casually but never an official teaching, and the idea behind not endorsing it and clarifying it when the cathecism was written, to justify not including it there, I suppose, is that limbo is not necessary.

“There is greater theological awareness today that God is merciful and wants all human beings to be saved. Grace has priority over sin, and the exclusion of innocent babies from heaven does not seem to reflect Christ’s special love for the little ones.”

This one quoted from here

Francis becomes 1st pope to endorse same-sex civil unions by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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Honestly I hope this will make far greater difference in countries where that is illegal, given the influence of the catholic church in the world, catholic organizations, people who are in other organizations and fight for other's rights. That it raises discussion and then awareness and then help. What the pope says is going in defense of the people discriminated by places where it's a crime to be LG(B).

Francis becomes 1st pope to endorse same-sex civil unions by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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I wouldn't take anything for granted, but I will share a convo I once saw a father and a son exchange (father being old and son being in his 50s), discussing about same-sex-civil-union/marriage. It'll be paraphrased a lot.

F: [disagreeing with it, grumpy]

S: I don't really feel worried about it, civil unions have nothing to do with the church, there's no reason to feel like this is any threat.

Father then decided he had no response. This was a longer exchange/vent but I really can't remember it properly. It was posed as an 'otherness' though, gay =/= catholic, but I'm not sure what the son's views would be if he wasn't trying to convince an old person that this had no impact in their beliefs or life.

I think things will depend highly on the family and the culture. In my experience, most people will feel like it's none of their business. I would also guess some people who are closer might feel uncomfortable, make comments or questions, or feel sad/want to pray for you. But I'd imagine the general vibe can be either "I disapprove, but I accept", or "I accept, but disapprove", or in some cases "I accept and love you".

I think people can really be loving and these days they're understanding that it's something you really can't control. They might be afraid of what you do with the sexual orientation - as in worried for you, uncomfortable. They might disapprove you having a boyfriend but they won't disapprove "you".

I wouldn't get my hopes up too much. But I wouldn't put them too low either, at the point of 'disowing' or 'rejecting' or strongly diapproving and shaming you.

Francis becomes 1st pope to endorse same-sex civil unions by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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edit: i was confused and replied to you but I misunderstood the thread, I'm sorry. I just deleted what I wrote.