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GC: What should happen to trans people after the media storm fizzles out
SnowAssMan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

The word 'transgender' could go back to meaning what it used to mean: fem gay guy, or butch lesbian. Or it could become the preferred term for transsexuals (specifically HSTS: homosexual transsexuals, like yourself).

At the moment the word transgender (as well as 'gender', 'gender identity' & 'cisgender') just means: self-ID. At least in discourse with self-ID lobbyists. Among the general public, gender just refers to one of the male & female sexes.

The tide is turning on self-ID, whether it's determined by self-declaration, or a diagnosis of gender identity disorder. Both these fronts are under attack. A welcome sight for GC feminists, as self-ID has been the crux of the disagreement between GC feminists & self-ID "leftists".

Does self-ID actually benefit anyone? It helped separate cross-gender conformity from its homosexual root cause, thereby making it possible for straight, white men & straight, white girls to identify as gay via self-ID (but using the label "trans"). Straight, white people have also been identifying as queer & bi. At the turn of the century, what LGBTQ people had in common was same-sex attraction, which means: someone who can fall in love with a person of the same sex. So apart from straight white people who want to identify as oppressed, who does self-ID actually benefit? Do these benefits outweigh the drawbacks to women & gay people & now a growing number of detrans people?

Most questions can't be properly answered without looking at the big picture. The big picture includes the whole planet & it's history. As we are all aware, there have been plenty of cultures in the past that we might describe as "trans-inclusive". In previous posts of mine I have covered two details about these cultures which are consistently contradictory of the self-ID cult's claims: 1. these "trans" populations are always exclusively same sex attracted i.e. gay & 2. they are never called "women", nor even a word related to the word 'woman', however, often they are called a word related to their word for 'gay'.

I put "trans" in quotes bc according to our culture trans = self-ID as the opposite sex, meaning that a trans male is a type of woman, while these populations are a type of gay male. These two types of identities have been conflated, so that the very recent idea of self-ID can claim to have been around for centuries. When even in our culture, transsexuals were always considered a type of homosexual: see Chandler's dad from Friends. He was both a gay man & a male transsexual & did not identify as a woman, while being portrayed by a woman. Friends ended in 2004. That's how recent self-ID's capture of the T in LGBTQ is.

Even in our own, Western culture, a transsexual was the original homosexual. Back when homosexuals (or inverts) were first defined, the only exclusively same-sex attracted persons this definition applied to were the ones who dressed, behaved & "lived as" the opposite sex. Ironically, this same population would be described as straight trans people by the topsy-turvy self-ID cult today.

To sum up the question posed in the heading: it's important for HSTS & LGBTQ people in general to cut their losses. Make sure to separate "trans" from "self-ID" & expunge the straight, white people from the LGBTQ community/movement. Problem is, straight white people outnumber gay people in the movement & run it now.

Quick word on spaces: bathrooms are talked about most, I guess bc unisex toilets already exist, so it's the easiest argument for the self-ID cult to win. The real issue comes with sports, prisons & shelters. Those should remain single-sex, without exception. The LGBTQ movement has set up its own shelters.

Now, looking only at HSTS exclusively:

Desistance: every study on desistance shows that the majority of boys between 12 & 20 diagnosed with gender identity disorder are gay & desist. Here is one such study form 2021: A Follow-Up Study of Boys With Gender Identity Disorder Puberty, realising that they are gay etc. helps them grow out of it. There is a remainder however who fail to grow out of their GID. Surely we should be trying to discover the reason why some gay men don't grow out of their GID & help them to desist – such a suggestion has been mislabelled as "conversion therapy" by the self-ID cult, despite it being literally the opposite (just like the "misgendering" accusation).

Medical Transition: is it necessary, beneficial in some cases? Firstly, it's not actually possible to change sex, only somewhat feminise a male body. The fact that this isn't made very clear is part of the problem. Secondly, as BiR pointed out, it never used to exist, plus, studies have found that the GNC gay populations outside the West (referenced earlier) do not experience "gender dysphoria", so the condition is certainly not inborn. But our culture no longer seems to tolerate pederasty. So what should happen to feminine gay men, whose puberty's androgenisation failed to deliver them a masculine body/face? Going that extra bit more feminine will probably always seem more true to themselves than trying to masculinise themselves in order to try to attract the average gay man. For this reason I can see why people like Blake White undergo feminising cosmetic procedures & how it was possibly for the better. But then I remember that Matthew Waterhouse (a neotenous, for lack of a better word, gay guy who never "transitioned") also exists.

For any HSTS who wants to be a woman, "socially": If you pass, you won't need preferred pronouns, they will come out naturally. Most ways in which people treat men & women differently are subconscious. Men who don't pass will, at best, only ever be treated like men who want to be treated like women, therefore they will still "socially" be male. By "socially", I mean when talking to strangers, since according to social determinism, the male gender identity is as irreversible as being biologically male (bc you can't undo/redo primary socialisation). Free will will always be trumped by nature/nurture.

Mother Warns of Influence of Pornography on Gender Identity Among Youth
SnowAssMan 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun 1 year ago

I think the way men masturbate can create a penis-fetish in them, since they are associating the sight & touch of an ejaculating erection with the feeling of orgasm. I think there are number of porn categories that are outgrowths of penis-fetish, like "big dick" & "BBC" & "compilation" (which just compiles male ejaculations). Back in the day, a lot of guys would admit to "skipping to the end" of the porn video, which in most cases is just the guy masturbating himself to completion i.e. 100% gay porn.

I think penis-fetish can lead to vagina-envy, which manifests itself in men anally penetrating themselves or seeking out being penetrated by others. This could potentially lead to AGP.

Should GC feminists stop associating with conservatives on topics in which they’re interests are aligned?
SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

"Both parties" are conservative, & both are to blame for the latest development regarding RvW.

What are feminists supposed to do? Pretend Dems have their back? Make/vote for a third party that'll never make it, but even if it did, it'd just get infiltrated by the same corporate party that controls the two major parties?

Infiltrating the Conservative party is easier than trying to influence the "liberal" party. Boycotting the conservative party would be counter-productive.

GC: How do you feel about out trans people choosing to become parents?
SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

I don't think every man should have the "right" to reproduce, since that would require some form of surrogacy.

And, of course, not everyone has the right to adopt children.

Parent's can also get their children taken away from them, in cases where it is the best option for the child.

There are 4 different types of transgender people: straight & gay women, straight & gay men (even more if you consider those who medically transition vs those who don't). So, we'd have to consider each of the types separately. After thinking about it, I agree with you & don't think trans-identification alone, in any of the forms, should preclude someone from having children.

What I don't understand is why they think it's enough to simply "go off hormones" whenever they want to detrans for whatever the reason. I guess it's all part of the detransphobia. There is no help to try to "transition them back". In some cases the testosterone levels don't disappear for months (according accounts on r/detrans).

Trans Activists Create Tool to Silence Feminists on Twitter
SnowAssMan 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

copy the strategy

AT LAST: Some sanity on Reddit!
SnowAssMan 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

It seems like the only way to voice GC views on reddit is under a male username on majority-male subs. Something to think about.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

I don't believe I have a gender identity in the transgender sense, hence why I have no problem getting it changed, you say have no problem with me getting it changed either. But you seem to have a problem with getting yours changed. The reasons you give: it's silly, puerile, moronic. Inconsistent. So you're being disingenuous. Whatever the real reason is you're unwilling to give it, inexplicably.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun 2 years ago

Those 11 likes are unlikely to be an additional 11 people, right? 10 of those 11 likely overlap with the other reply. As a former mod you should know that it's highly unlikely that the post we are talking about received the engagement of over 20 individuals. Please stop assuming I'm too stupid to see through these gas-lighting attempts.

Your entire reply is opposing my previous question on here, instead of the current one.

Just ask yourself: how did a supposed troll end up being more well-read on feminism than you?

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Not all GC feminists are radical feminists either.

Do you think GC feminists identifying as desisters or detrains would be a better tactic then?

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

I thought most people (moderates) went along with the trans thing, bc they think they are all transsexuals who have been surgically/magically transitioned into the opposite sex? I.e. not everyone knows it's a lie, some really are duped.

Again, most TRAs don't identify as transgender. By identifying as transgender you become harder to oppose or censor, as you could literally get them arrested for hate-speech (in places like the UK).

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

It's unnecessary for you to forfeit more than once, babe.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

I posted a debate question. You're the only one here not engaging in the debate, favouring ad hominem attacks instead. You're trying to justify your misuse of the debate sub by claiming that I'm giving "marching orders". FYI, "marching orders" don't end in a question mark. No one is forcing you to debate, but if you don't want to debate the question, what are you here for?

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

As I explained to another user, one of the replies got 10 up votes, so you & I both know I'm not over-estimating the results.

My previous reply already answered your question as to the value of me doing it.

I've drawn many comparisons, not just the spy example, to illustrate just how effective a strategy this is.

Straight people who don't even have GD are the most ideologically pure. It'd be great to overwhelm them by sheer numbers alone, but just a substantial number of free radicals would cause an upset. It's just important to go around calling anyone & everyone within the community "transphobic", without given them a chance to call you it. Once inside, you'd have no need to stand on a soap box, just reprimand anyone else who does for their transphobia (which should be easy bc they are constantly contradicting themselves). It'll disillusion gender identity allies the most.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Yours are the only replies without substance, or are "us" & "we" your new preferred third person pronouns now? If you're not here to debate, then you're probably on the wrong sub. You can't blame someone for expecting a debate on a debate sub.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Sorry, I was mixing you up with BiR. Her go-to is to make it personal. You don't do it as often, but here you were casting aspersions.

I think my point in my previous reply still stands. Transgender identity is simply expecting everyone to treat them as if they were the opposite sex. Identifying as male in online forums, when you're female, is the equivalent of that. The fact that most women are protective of their female gender identification online, despite the negative & lack of positive consequences, seems to indicate that there may be something to transgender identification that makes it more substantial than the mere "nothing" that its lack of perceptibility & explicitly would suggest.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

"Three, three three" – if the "go for it" reply gets 10 insightful points, then that's more than three. When it comes to replies that most GC people that frequent this forum up-vote, 10 is as high a number as you can expect. Nice gas-lighting attempt though.

Your first reply here was: "Have you done it? Have you changed your markers on your ID?" Basically trying to expose my supposed hypocrisy. But now you're suggesting that it's irrelevant whether I do it or not, since I'm not female. I'm okay with women doing it & you guys are okay with men doing it. Either both sides are hypocrites, or neither side is. So which is it? Either way you've got to back-pedal.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

What would you be losing if you did it though? Answer: your "gender identity", which you acknowledge is nothing. But the fact that you're unwilling to lose it, suggests that gender identification is not as insubstantial as GC feminists claim. I'm not telling you to do it, I'm trying to spur on some introspection. I'm asking why don't (in general & in the past) GC feminists get their gender legally changed?

Thanks for the links, you've saved my a step. But I'm still not going to change it until I move to the UK (I've never properly lived there, hence why I didn't say "move back", so I haven't got an official "place of residence" yet). I have every intention of "putting my money where my mouth is" & as soon as I do, trust me, you'll hear about it. But as you said, it won't change your mind since I'm male & your female. For the record, I have no trouble acknowledging that male transitioners gain a hell of a lot more credence than female ones, however, that doesn't mean there is no political leverage to be gained by GC women en masse changing their gender. I firmly believe that if there had been a bunch of Lauren Southerns doing it in Canada, they'd be able to draw more attention to the issue.

P.S. I think it's totally legitimate for someone to point out the hypocrisy of someone with a messy room telling others to clean theirs, see: Jordan Peterson.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

I agree with all of that. Of course actions speak louder than words. Problem is most people don't realise that a substantial number of people go by the reverse. A way to expose that is to beat them at their own game.

A lot of people are against the church being tax-exempt, bc it makes it easier for cults to spring up about the place. If enough businesses just claimed to be churches, the short-term benefits would be: not having to pay taxes for a while, while in the longterm you'd be drawing attention to the issue. What's the issue you have with this tactic?

I was reading Kathleen Stock's book, but the problem I found with it was that all the terminology is created by TRAs & so simply using the same terms already half-promotes transgenderism, by half-legitimising it. It's difficult to argue against an ideology without creating a whole new nomenclature, which you'd have to then convince everyone to agree with. So I think the conventional RadFem way to oppose transgenderism can somewhat backfire. If you infiltrate it, you can help decay it from the inside.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Contentless reply. It just boils down to "you think your idea is smart, but it's not". Of course I'm going to dismiss an unsubstantiated claim like that. You're not even trying to defend your position, which you're going to pretend to have pride in.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

A bunch of fools “identifying” as feminists and selling porn didn’t make them feminists.

But that's the point that I was making. Nowadays words speak louder than actions. If TRAs can't respect the meanings of words like 'feminism', why should we respect words like 'transgender'?

We aren’t playing spies here.

Translation: we aren't on the winning team here.

Lobbyists infiltrate both major political parties, that way no matter what the election outcome, the corporate party wins. This strategy has been proven time & time again as a winning strategy. So spare me the weak excuses. What's the real reason you're against GC people infiltrating the trans movement?

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?
SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

only 3 replies? That's like 50% of the users here lol

boycotts are only effective if enough people do it. Individual use can help you avoid arrest for "transphobia" or avoid getting banned for "transphobia", but it can also help you identity-politics your way out of any debate, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f0MfGqQXH4&list=PLpHJ9aQruxVc_QfalD5sDoKyPo6tVG8fW&index=33 you might form a few cracks on the way. Why not use their own ideology against them? Why not use their own tactics against them?