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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

No one is arguing that the red race as a whole was morally pure. Everytime this topic comes up, folks like you come out of the woodwork to sell the same talking points that have been sold for generations. You don't seem to grasp the fact that every tribe was different, and some of them were far more life-affirming than any modern countries. It's strange to see such hatred.

Yes, some tribes were brutal. Yes, all tribes had gone to war at one point or another. This isn't about who is better or who isn't, it's about looking at the history without a modern-lens, without viewing it through the eyes of the victors.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yet, the way these things are portrayed in modern times is always through such a lopsided lens that always paints a picture of some idyllic paradise lost. Pragmatically speaking, the situation for Native Americans isn't genuinely any better or worse than it was before Euros.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I see a mixture of it being a paradise (which it wasn't) and it being a barbaric hell-hole (which it wasn't).

You don't seem to be grasping what Ephemeral and I are saying.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You don't seem to be grasping what Ephemeral and I are saying.

I think I do. Though, like I said, practically speaking, when you compare the positives and negatives, Native Americans seem to be in about the same quality of life position as before.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    You'd get mixed results. They are very divided.

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      [–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I would add though, the main problem with the Native American situation is the loss of their traditional way of life. It's like they're geared toward that, and don't assimilate well in an economic system. Tribal hierarchy seemed to produce a more desirable social system. Instead of money... hunting, fishing, gathering incentivized existence.

      Now they get paid a stipend every month. Subsidized or free housing, medical, food, and even free college for personal advancement doesn't seem to appeal broadly to them as a reason for existence. So many devolve languishing in substance abuse.

      I've met successful, smart Indians, and at the same time literally driven through reservations, and seen them stumbling drunk on the side of the road, falling and rolling into ditches for a long nap.

      It's a sad state of things. They don't want to go back, but they don't want to go forward either. They have lost their sense of purpose, and that is the biggest loss of all.

      [–]ReeferMadness 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      No one is "coming out of the woodwork" when they correct your lies. When you say "they were so peaceful before the evil white man came" that is a lie. When you claim that their way of life is better and someone tells you why that's wrong, they are correcting your lie.

      This isn't about who is better or who isn't,

      It is LITERALLY a post claiming natives are better than white people.

      If you don't like the fact that you can't just post blatant lies without people correcting you then go back to reddit where the truth is banned.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      I like you. You are funny to read.