all 38 comments

[–]iamonlyoneman 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

Hmyes it's slander to say you didnt rape somebody when the court says you didnt hmmm super solid judgin' there eh

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

A jury said he did

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Yes comrade, a perfectly impartial jury too! There is no evidence of systemic bias against orangemanbad, simply he is bad and think no more of it!

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

He raped a woman, she told her story and he told his, and the jury believed her...

You don't even know what evidence they considered. You don't know why they found it so compelling. You are just a dipshit

[–]TitsAndWhiskeyRepublican Party 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Are we sure about that?

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

About what

Edit - guilty jury verdict

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/09/e-jean-carroll-wins-trump-trial-verdict

Judge says that if it walks like rape and quacks like rape, then she got raped

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll

[–]TitsAndWhiskeyRepublican Party 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

The jury deliberated for less than three hours. It did not find Trump raped Carroll, but did find him liable for sexual abuse.

Sooo… we sure about that?

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Are your eyes able to see both of the links?

the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr Trump in fact did ‘rape’ Ms Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law

[–]TitsAndWhiskeyRepublican Party 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Why are you posting conflicting sources? Are you actively trying to discredit yourself?

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why do you feel they conflict?

Did you read them? They describe a single chain of events. Kind of makes me think you didn't read the links

[–]SoCo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

The Jury did not say what exactly he did.

This Judge said the Jury "Inferred" that rape was committed, by finding Trump liable for Question 2 "Sexual assault", which necessitates "digital rape" in this context. Yet, the previous Judge's Jury instructions bellow, which a reasonable juror might easily interpret the instructions to include a wide array of activities, possibly even including an unwanted kiss. The Judge refused an appeal that the awarded judgement was an excessive amount for the accusations,, based on this point and several others.

The Lawsuit being referenced:

[...] special verdict governed by Rule 49 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. The form of the verdict, including the fact that it did not ask the jury to decide exactly what conduct Mr. Trump committed in the event it found for Ms. Carroll as to sexual abuse[...]

. Jury instructions on sexual assault civil accusation:

[...] intimate part is concerned, the law does not specifically define which parts of the body are intimate. Intimacy, moreover, is a function of behavior and not just anatomy. [...] if he touched any, were sufficiently personal or private that it would not have been touched in the absence of a close relationship between the parties.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

What are you trying to say?

Do you agree that trump forced his fingers into her vagina?

Do you agree that a jury found him guilty of it?

Do you agree that, that's basically rape, that a judge upheld her statement that she had been raped?

Which statement do you disagree with.

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I'm pointing out that the jury did not decide, one way or other, about the accusation of being penetrated with a finger.

While we can say for sure the jury rejected the accusation of penetration with a penis, but we have no ruling about the finger. The only people who made this assertion was the accuser and this judge.

While it is widely understood that the sexual assault charge specifically requires the finger penetration, despite pointing this out specifically, the Judge, LEWIS A. KAPLAN, instructed the jury with an extra portion explaining clearly that this not required and misleading the jury with an extremely wide and vague different requirement. This could easily include kissing, hugging, touching of the elbow even, if the jury could assume it was in a sexy way.

With a long and non-professional diatribe, rather than a ruling, every opportunity was made to insult and disparage Trump, but no attempt was made to address the motion's concerns. Instead, embedded in the 59 page insult narrative, was the confirmation of the concerns of trial flaws the motion brought forth. The judge confirmed that penetration is required for sexual assault in this context, then provides the jury instructions stating it isn't required, then additionally goes on to falsely declare that the jury "inferred" that Trump penetrated her with his finger, by ruling in favor of sexual assault money.

Very much about this trial was very non standard and reeking of bias and a unfair trial. This jury instruction was an insurance plan, ensuring he wouldn't walk away completely vindicated, as anything could be considered sexual assault. Then, after ruling, they brought in a person unqualified for the position, to decide the monetary damages, who suggested an absolutely insanely exaggerated amount, inconsistent with the charges, context, and common sense.

The court trial was a blatant hatched job.

No one can know what really happened, but the accuser has contradicted and denied all these accusations in the past. She had also failed in court previously. She was only trying again because Trump's political enemies pushed her to do so and gave her a very lot of money to do it and cover legal costs. On the stand, she testified that she did not say "no", and that she likely "led him on," instigating their romantic escapade. She presented zero evidence. She made accusations and brought 2 people in who testified that she talked of the romantic night to them so many decades ago, although their testimony made it sound like she was more-so gloating, with an after thought of otherwise.

This was a civil case, a lawsuit. The New York statues of limitations for the criminal charges accused had already expired, so Trump could freely defend himself against the accusation......yet, anti-Trump New York political enemies, specifically changed the law, extended the statutes of limitations, the previous year in anticipation of Trump's lawsuit.

This caused Trump to be unable to defend himself in this civil case. Doing so would only provide testimony that could be spun into incriminating evidence of a very serious criminal charge. Trump had cross examined the witnesses, but did not testify or make much of any kind of defense due to this risk of criminal charges.

The whole lawsuit was a trap, hoping to manipulate Trump in to having only two options: Don't defend yourself, getting slammed for extremely questionable civil accusations, and just sit there quietly being overly and corruptly railroaded...... or open your mouth and get corruptly railroaded into a prison sentence for criminal charges based on the same evidence-less and questionable accusations that changed over the years.

Everyone should have a fair trial; this was not.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

I think this is what you are arguing happened

  1. There's a case between Carroll and Trump and she says he pushed his fingers into her private parts

  2. The trial concludes

  3. The jury are instructed that if they believe any of the things happened, then return a guilty verdict: kissing, hugging, touching of the elbow even, etc etc

  4. The jury returned a guilty verdict

  5. But, we don't know whether the jury, in their minds, during deliberation, we don't know whether one of them might have mistakenly believed this was a case about unwanted elbow touching instead of pushing his fingers into her vagina

  6. Therefore it's unfair to conclude that he raped her with his finger, because, there's a slim chance that one of the jury might HAVE THOUGHT, might have incorrectly thought, that this was a case about elbow touching

  7. And therefore trump is somewhere less than a convicted finger rapist and somewhere more than a convicted elbow toucher and we cannot be sure where in the middle reality lies

I think I captured your argument correctly? If not can you point to where I didn't summarise your argument correctly

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

No, of course your facetious and purposely erroneous recounting is wrong. I do see that you understood what I said, but chose to ignore that you were shown that the judge lied and the trial was manipulated and unfair.

This judge is technically lying and used his own previous lie as reason to deny this motion. This judge has a long history as a government fixer, to manipulate high profile cases with the desired public performance. Such as getting big coronations off the hook, the likes of tobacco and oil, and enabling Jeffery Epstein related rapist European royalty get a slap on the wrist, but publicly looks like he got the screws put to him.

Despite Carroll testifying that she did not say "no", resist, and that she felt she initiated escalation of the romantic evening, the jury believed her word without evidence, that there was a preponderance of evidence that Trump likely made unwanted romantic advances, such as kissing.

Anyone who claims the jury determined anything more specific is actually flat out lying, like this judge and the media, whom he fed the lie to.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

So you're saying step 3 is where the misbehaviour happened?

Right? You're saying the judge lied at step 3?

He lied when giving his jury instructions? Where did the judge lie?

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

What is step 3?

He lied by saying the jury ruled implying digital rape.

Why do you talk in circles and pretend not to understand?

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Trump was found guilty of digital rape dipshit. So that wouldnt be a lie

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Biden is obviously old and frail. I just hope he makes it to 2024 so we don't get a dick sucking negress as President.

[–]Megatron95 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

''Sneaky Biden'' LMAO. He's too fucking senile to be sneaky.