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[–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It's funny that 50 years ago or so American churches didn't want to get involved in politics because that was worldly matters which distracted from the spiritual work.

That changed when the republican party started using things like abortion as party political issues.

Now they don't have abortion to game Christians with they will be looking for a new wedge issue.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They can still use abortion. Now that Roe is overturned there will be battles in every state to decide what the law will be. And the presidential candidates on both sides will probably claim that they're going to make federal laws about it either way.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"In 1954, Congress approved an amendment by Sen. Lyndon Johnson to prohibit 501(c)(3) organizations, which includes charities and churches, from engaging in any political campaign activity."

It wasn't their choice. Their funding is at risk when they get political. It's just in modern times the churches have been ignoring that rule and there are calls to get rid of their tax exempt status.

didn't want to get involved in politics because that was worldly matters which distracted from the spiritual work.

That doesn't sound like any church I ever heard of. The spiritual bullshit is how they maintain their power and wealth.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about.

https://youtu.be/zpLCIc5PvQw

[–]IridescentAnaconda 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

they will be looking for a new wedge issue.

Obergefell.

I love having been in the crosshairs of public discourse for my entire adult life.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The transgenders and Democratic party have poisoned the support base for LGBT issues. I'd be prepared for your marriage to turn into a civil union.

Which, personally I don't see the big deal. Seems semantical.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't care what it's called. If "civil union" has the same inheritance and power-of-attorney benefits it's all the same to me. All those drama queens who had hissy fits over "civil union" -- they were as bad as the trangenders are now.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How it is to be expected from the politically active who care more about words than practical effects. Same with Row, same with the Trans.

I'm happy to concede the opposite and say it doesn't matter if it's called marriage or not either, it's just a matter of what is politically feasible now. Would you rather put your chips in marriage alone and fight long and hard for that all the while slowly but surely galvanizing a resistance that will not sleep once you have it, or would you prefer a civil union now that even most religious evangelicals are going to probably support. Since really while the truly hateful of the gays extremists exist, they are rare and largely not evangelical types. Evangelicals are more like "those poor poor gay people need Jesus to save them from hell" and won't be concerned with the legal minutia of inheritance or any other legal ins and outs.

It is important to remember though that the politically active dominionist arm of the republican party would see their ideology codified into law if they had the power base, they do not, but we need to take their positions seriously when arguing against them. Otherwise the slippery slope begins to take effect and you will see the more extreme arms that aren't ever satisfied and need to move constantly to new issues will eventually seek to ban things like cohabitation and sex outside of marriage. Enforcement quagmires be damned when fighting for Jesus god will work it out.

They are no different than progressives in their larger ideological strokes, authoritarianism. Denial of material reality, a desire to shape society in their utopian image and a shunning of anyone that points out differently. A desire to impose their own ideology on everyone else since they believe strongly they are absolutely correct and morally driven to do so because it's better for you. Very condescending.

These people have always existed in society, I believe it goes hand in hand with cluster B type personality disorders. Whether they latch onto what we paint as the left of right ideological extremes is really more a case of what they are exposed to when young and what is available for them. But don't be fooled into thinking that there's a fundamental difference between their broader ideological leanings and behavior. The horseshoe only rings true on the low resolution towards a tendency for authoritarian and extreme solutions. If you are gay in Iran a religious theology you either transition to being a woman or you are put to death. If you are gay in the UK there's a very good chance you'll be convinced that you are woman and transjtion and if you don't you'll "end up killing yourself".

Yet in both countries the very low resolution reality and practical nature of it is extremely similar.

If gay become woman.

If not become woman die.

Less extreme in Britain, for the moment. But no less true.