I support Ukraine!

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

1) All official information in Russia is state-controlled, including information about elections, Putin and everything else.

2) Putin poisons, jails, murders, and/or imprisons all serious oppostion (that's not a democracy)

3) I am not being used by Biden or whomever

4) Ukraine is independent, and should never do what Russia tells it to do.

5) Ukraine did not join NATO or the EU, and is thus already neutral

6) I am surprised that you seem not to know any of this, or the points in my previous statement. It seems that you are not interested in my arguments or in understanding what has happened. Perhaps you are interested, but your recent arguments indicate that you would prefer to agree to lies that Russian state TV wants you to believe in. I think there is no middle-ground between us on this. Perhaps avoid contact with me in the future. I do not have time to explain so much.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Ukraine did not join NATO or the EU, and is thus already neutral

“I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies, you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.” -- Zapp Brannigan.

But seriously, the word you are looking for is "proxy". Or even puppet.

Since 2015 there has been a direct pipeline from the NATO facility in Yavoriv, where the US Army oversaw the training of 5 battalions of Ukrainian armed forces per year to NATO standards, to the fighting in Donbas. Eight years, 40 battalions.

Oh, and despite outnumbering the Russians 5:2 and defending their own homeland with short supply lines, they're still losing. Oops.

Maybe putting your trust in Nazis to fight Russians isn't such a great idea.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, Ukraine trains its soldiers. And Ukrainians have tried to remove Russian soldiers from Donbas. NATO is not officially in Ukraine. Russian military is bombing Ukraine to rubble, murding thousands of civilians. You might want to have a look. This is not a battle only with soldiers. Moreover, the 5:2 number is wrong. Active Ukraine military is 196,600. Russian active military is 1,014,000, with 2 million in reserve. Please check the facts. Please don't support the slaughter of innocent civilians.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The central Ukrainian government has been fighting Ukrainians in the break-away republics,, including killing civilians.

Active Ukraine military is 255,000 plus a million reservists who have been called up.

Russian active military are not all in Ukraine. If you think that Russia emptied their borders of all military forces, you probably also think that Azov are "moderate right-wingers" and the Ghost Of Kiev is real.

Russian troops in Ukraine are estimated at 1-200,000. Russia is clearly going easy on Ukraine, and are heavily outnumbered. And still winning: they have air superiority, they grounded what's left of the Ukrainian airforce, have pretty much destroyed Ukraine's tanks, and can drop a hypersonic missile anywhere they choose. Clearly Putin is not trying to destroy Ukraine as a country, let alone slaughter them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know why we're having this conversation, and that you obviously support what Putin is doing. I don't get it. Was there any legitimate reason to start taking Ukrainian territories in 2014, and now to continue with war crimes and carpet bombing? Absolutely not. There is no question that this is criminal.