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[–]StillLessons 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Placement of Democrats on this graphic is odd. Order would suggest a pro-police stance directly opposed to the past 18 months. Would have expected them over in the Equality corner.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

They want black supremacy, queer supremacy, female supremacy, want to send white males to the concentration camps, and want to force everyone to listen to the "experts" (elites).

Definitely not equality.

[–]StillLessons 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Good point. I was using their PR position rather than the reality, which as you point out is anti-conservative bigotry.

That said, I still find "order" to be a bad place for them. They have done nothing in the past 18 months that does not involve creating absolute chaos. Their entire strategy in fact appears to be chaos. Perhaps you would argue that they are tearing down the old to create a new order, but I honestly don't even see that happening. It seems they are tearing things apart with no replacement in mind, just rage at the order they hate. The triangle needs to be a square, with "corruption manipulates/buys the psychologically vulnerable into a blind rage" as a vertex. That's where the Democratic Party lies today.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Order as in defined hierarchy and power structure, not peace.

[–]SubSaharanBeast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

“Equality” is Marxist propaganda anyway.

[–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Basically, I agree with you, but they have chosen a semantic trick to make the pill go down more effectively.

By changing equality to equity, they can now attack former liberals (who used to be their allies) for arguing equality is the moral goal. Equity commands that meritocracy is punished. A set of rules applied to a population of equals can now be attacked as racist. Equity in its current leftist usage is a remarkably destructive word. Because it sounds "academic", it has captured the attention of simple-minded intellectuals around the world.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No - /u/StillLessons is right, the blue dot is in the wrong place, and should be closer to the equality side. The rights for others that you mention are simply about equal rights, not supremacy. Moreover, there is absolutely no 'Libertarian' corner in the period noted in the triange, and in any event, Libertarians today always do what the GOP tell them to do. The chart should include Eisenhower, but in any event, equality, order, and liberty are not opposites, nor do Libertarians help anyone with their liberty, but instead help the GOP with the raping of the 99%. The radical-right is literally off that chart, located somewhere in the Fascist state category, where the 99% are solely engaged in working for the State. The opposite side is Democracy, where the 99% decide on their public servants. And there is no Libertarian option, as it offers nothing, with the exception of absolute loyalty to the fascist GOP. Good order is equality and liberty, or as the French say: Order = Liberty, Equality, Fraternity .

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The rights for others that you mention are simply about equal rights, not supremacy.

They want reparations and think white=evil. They think men should be treated like second class citizens and women are superior in every way. They hate Christians and Jews. They don't want equality, they see everyone as part of a group and want revenge. And they want to control everything, indoctrinate everyone, and run a police state where everyone bows to them without question.

Moreover, there is absolutely no 'Libertarian' corner in the period noted in the triange

Yes there is. Many people believe in liberty.

Libertarians today always do what the GOP tell them to do

No they don't, they just used to work together a lot because the left is becoming so extreme. But after 2020 the GOP went crazy too and they don't get along anymore.

equality, order, and liberty are not opposites

You cannot have order without oppression, you cannot have equality without curtailing individual freedom and bringing everyone down to the same level, and you cannot have equality and also hierarchy. There are in-between states, someone who values all three of these options equally would land in the center of the triangle.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye

- Barry Goldwater, "Mr. Conservative"

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Goldwater lost on purpose to LBJ in 64, LBJ should have had no chance of winning as everyone knew he was on on killing JFK.

Later Goldwater convinced Nixon to resign telling him he only had 15 votes supporting him not being impeached, should have called that bluff and made them have the vote to see, Nixon was very popular and people didn't want him to resign so those voting to impeach him would suffer electoral losses, siilar to how repub senaters didn't want to vote to impeach Trump.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Goldwater lost on purpose to LBJ in 64, LBJ should have had no chance of winning as everyone knew he was on on killing JFK.

What makes you think that? Goldwater hated Johnson and accused him of using "every dirty trick in the bag". In fact Johnson is probably one of the first key figures in this conspiracy, and it wouldn't surprise me if they rigged the election for him too.

Nixon was very popular and people didn't want him to resign so those voting to impeach him would suffer electoral losses, siilar to how repub senaters didn't want to vote to impeach Trump.

I've met very few people who like Nixon due to the Watergate Scandal, even those who agree with his platform. From what I remember he's also one of the first of those new Republicans that my chart shows and Goldwater was complaining about.

The Democrats have a long history of being awful, corrupt, evil politicians pretending to be for the people, all the way back to Andrew Jackson. What happened was in the mid 20th century they suddenly inverted their platform, going from racist and intolerant assholes to (pretending) to be for civil rights. As LBJ said, "I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years!". And they confused their old platform and pushed them into the Republican party, allowing them to take over it. This is the real Southern Strategy and why they supposedly "switched sides" without any politicians changing affiliation.

By now Democrats pretty much control the Republican party and push for the same agenda of filling Washington's money sack and gaining absolute power. The "opposite stances" the parties take on pointless issues is all just a show to distract the populace and make them think they have two options to vote for when really they're both the same one behind the scenes. And it's unfortunately super-effective. Divide and conquer.

This is also why they despise Trump so much. He was probably the only outsider to get elected in ages.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Nixon had won by landslide, so yeah he was popular. Lot of anti Nixon stuff in the media since, your friends were all born way after so wouldn't know what really went on. I'm not saying Nixon was great just that he was popular. Really he sold out by resigning anyway.

Andrew Jackson was the last good president. Well JFK was ok just very naive. He wanted to do good but then had a death wish riding in a convertible in Dallas. Why make it easy.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Why do you think Jackson was good? He did really terrible things. And so did almost every Democrat after him except for naive outsiders like Kennedy.

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did great things