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[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

It's selfish, cruel, and abandons vulnerable people to continue a cycle of ignorance and violence. More to the point, it allows continued exploitation of resources by western colonialists. India didn't stand up and become independent by Ghandi leaving to teach philosophy in Paris.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Letting people live in accordance with their nature is cruel? Focusing on providing the best guidance for those who depend on us is selfish? How can one possibly abandon something one doesn't own? Heavens can be called cruel, but they are hardly selfish, and will outlast anything we create.

Africa already has its independence, it doesn't want to change its culture. India has spent millennia being the center of the planet, you'll have a chance to experience a reconstruction of its fall, soon.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Stealing the best and brightest from brown people countries for the benefit of white people countries is racist and evil. End of story.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Stealing? I thought they've lost the right to own people when the British Empire decided to ban slavery.

Sometimes, when two parts of a nation accumulate too many differences, they may split into two different nations. It happens.

Long distance travelling is natural for humans, there is nothing unnatural with leaving one's country. Especially when your country doesn't support you at all.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Super. Now not only are you advocating for the racist colonizers, you're arguing for their right to keep other nations in poverty. What a gem you are. They must love you at the KKK meetings.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

They must love you at the KKK meetings.

Democrats believe one's rights should change based on race, that the state should decide one's race, and that attempts to change one's race should be punished. Doubt we'd get along.

arguing for their right to keep other nations in poverty

I agree that many nations would be much better off left along. But you insistence on seeing people as a property of some arbitrarily defined organization is unhealthy. If your group wants you dead, and some other group welcomes you, could it be that your group isn't yours?

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You are deliberately misrepresenting my arguments and putting words in my mouth. Your arguments are dishonest. There's no point to arguing with you. There's no changing the minds of neo-colonialists strip-mining brown countries of their best and brightest.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

No U.

The world has reasons to be the way it is. Try changing it without removing the reasons and the world will just change back. You'll waste your energy without achieving anything.

A society that doesn't value the fruits of one's work, won't value one's life. Trying to extract payment from those who see no value in your work will bring resentment and endless conflicts. You can people to pay for what they don't want, you can't force them to value it.

Someone who is the best and brightest in your eyes, won't be the best and brightest for everyone. Everyone sees the world differently.

Because a creature has no reason to care about what it doesn't care about. At the roots of every morality system, are sources of pain or pleasure. The creature is affected, its mind changes, it begins searching the world for hypothetical causes.

Forcing everyone to follow your way, when they don't share your experience, is cruel and selfish. You are rewarded with pleasure, they get only pain. Wanting someone else to commit fruitless sacrifices for your enjoyment is even more cruel and selfish. Abandoning what one doesn't own is better than trying to take what isn't given.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You're not even replying to the points I made. Am I talking to a procedurally generated script? I get the idea I am.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People aren't property of their country, they have the right to pursue their understanding of happiness, as dictated by their nature. If for fulfilling their natural needs they have leave their country and anger their rulers by enriching some other country, their rulers can go fuck themselves.

You can't force people shaped by African climate to value the same things as the northerners. Trying to force every animal on the planet to live and act as you is stupid and cruel.

Your mom is a procedurally generated script, NPC.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Chipit. I assure you, your logic is flawed. And as usual, you are accusing the other person of being a bot or a script. Which you do so often, I fear it is your mental defense for a non defensible position.