If People Can Line Up to Pay Respects to Rep. John Lewis, Then We Can Have In-Person Voting in November

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[–]quickbeam 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (74 children)

There's nothing wrong with vote-by-mail. I lived in Oregon for a while where everyone can vote by mail (with some in-person for those who prefer it) and it works just fine. Also - some people chose to line up to pay respects to John Lewis, but I'm not planning to go anywhere crowded and inhale other people's germs. It's quite another thing to force people many of whom are medically vulnerable to go out and risk their health or lose their voice in a democracy. BTW - the exact same people are going to tabulate your votes whether they're done in person or by mail. The exact same hand-counters and/or machines. I've been a volunteer poll worker so I've seen the votes get counted firsthand.

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    [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    " gladly disappear boxes "

    No joke!

    [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (41 children)

    What's your source for any of this? Also, all mail in ballots need to still be checked at the polls against the lists of registered voters. I know this because I worked the damn polls. Everything ends up being run through the same processes no matter whether it's done in person or by mail.

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      [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

      Again, I worked as a poll worker. Your ballot will not be processed if it does not match the registered voters list. Illegal immigrants? Are you kidding? The very fact that they're "illegal" means that no one would have their address to mail anything to in the first fucking place. Let alone that they would want to expose themselves to being deported in order to help people do voter fraud. Do you realize how illogical this all is? If you're so concerned about undocumented immigrants we need to crack down on corporations that hire them, not the immigrants themselves. I don't really have a problem with immigrants of any kind because quite frankly borders are some made-up bullshit and climate change is going to mean that large swaths of the world suddenly become uninhabitable and people will need to cross borders to survive. To me people are people. I've lived abroad and been treated with respect and love by citizens of a country where I didn't speak the language. As long as corporations will hire undocumented workers to do a job they're not willing to pay citizens properly for, people will move here. If you want that to stop, it'd be a lot easier to go after the corporations and toughen laws on wages and labor conditions.

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        [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Oh shit I didn't see this epic rant. :) LOL. I take it back; don't work the polls. I wouldn't want to subject ordinary Americans to this mindset.

        [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

        If I felt like spending an entire day on it with the result of you saying that everything I linked to was "fake news" I could refute all 100 of your propagandized arguments. But I'm going to go back to my regularly scheduled life where I will be eating delicious Chinese food prepared by recent immigrants to this country who have made my life much better through their skills and entrepreneurship.

        [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

        If only we had a cookbook, or websites showing us how to prepare food..tsk tsk, I guess we really need those foreigners so we don't hafta eat hamburgers every day.

        [–]bald-janitor 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

        I boycott McDonalds and Starbucks because they are owned by jews and they use low iq females 🤓

        [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Sir, that is pretty goddamn based. May StBlops2cel guide and protect you.

        [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        Honestly, if people hate immigrants a suitable punishment would be having to cook all their own foreign food. You shouldn't even get Taco Bell, really.

        [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        I have never been to Taco Bell, and it is US-owned. Any dunce can fill a flour-based thingy with ground meat, cheese, and salad, you lunkhead.

        [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

        p.s. It must suck to hate and distrust so many people this much. I have fucking full-blown anxiety and depression and I still realize that most people in this country are good-hearted, well-meaning honest people and even if I don't agree with them on everything or they might vote differently than I do they want the best for each other and their families. What you describe in your rants here is not a realistic version of America. It seems like the product of getting most of one's impressions of other people through the television or the internet rather than talking to lots of different types of people in person. Which is too bad. I hope that someday you will have a more positive view of humanity. Take care.

        [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

        I have fucking full-blown anxiety and depression

        why am I not surprised

        [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

        I have anxiety and depression yet I am not irrationally afraid of people simply because they come from other countries, nor am I so sad or bitter that I assume my fellow humans are mainly dishonest or out to get each other. If I can keep a positive vision of humanity in my mind with my diagnosed conditions, why can't you?

        [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

        'Irrationally afraid'...lol. Why don't you take some of these fine rapists and murderers into YOUR home...feed and clothe them too? But you won't. You just want ME to pay for it. Why do you even live in the US? Why not move to China or Somalia?

        [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        Yes, illegals don't have mailing addresses, lol...u r dum

        [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        Not that they're sharing with these mysterious government officials who are somehow going to illegally mail them ballots which they will then totally fill out because they are so committed to rigging elections between working at the meat packing plant and raising their kids, which they will then somehow mail to the other evil government officials who will then hand them off to still more corrupt government officials for processing. All of these people are involved in the exact same conspiracy, somehow. The fact that this is totally believable to you is amazing.

        [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        The fact that you managed to turn on your computer without help is even more amazing. Unless...you DID have help?

        [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Not being able to turn on one's computer is not a symptom of anxiety/depression. Not being able to treat people with mental illnesses with common decency is a symptom of being an asshole though. Might want to get that shit looked at.

        [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        My only current 'mental problem' is trying to make sense out of your gibberish.

        [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

        If you're so worried about voter fraud I encourage you to contact your city clerk and become a poll worker. There are paying jobs or you can volunteer. Then you can go behind the scenes and see how the system works in your state. I bet you'll be amazed at what ordinary good-natured people are in charge of ensuring election integrity.

        [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        There are over 40 ways to fix it. All you need is a chink in the armour somewhere. Most of it can be legit as hell, but all you need is enough to be compromised. The worst is at the top - just like in politics.

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          [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          LOL. No, sorry. I'm not interested in voter fraud because it almost never happens. I am interested in election fraud, which is a huge concern especially in terms of voting machines. But as there is very little I have the power to do about it, I try not to lose sleep over it.

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            [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Electronic voting is too is the only thing you needed to say here, though, because every damn vote goes through that system and if you are a person at a high level trying to impact the vote (not some two-bit city council candidate trying to steal their own election) that's the method you use in this day and age. You say "removing boxes" like it's a simple thing that doesn't require coordination. And guess what - you can also remove boxes of votes of people who voted in person! Sometimes you can't even tabulate those votes the day of polling because the machines malfunction. It's overwhelmingly Republicans who have been fucking over votes in recent years though by closing polling stations in key areas and leaving low income or majority minority communities without enough polling stations so that working people have to choose between getting back to their job or standing in line for 5+ hours. Or sometimes so they can't actually get transportation to a close enough polling station. But you guys want to focus on these rare as hell cases of people using ridiculously clunky 20th century methods to steal elections that no one in a real position of power would ever resort to.

            [–]scrubking[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/yes-america-there-voter-fraud-these-recent-cases-prove-it

            [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            There's a reason these people got caught - they were all ham-handed schemes that are noticed by the city clerks and poll workers that cross-check documents and check for things like people voting twice. If you want to commit mass election fraud - the type that would affect a national election, you'd hack the voting machines. Paper ballots - and people casting multiple paper ballots or false paper ballots - is the easiest thing to catch and check for.

            [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

            Again, please go work a poll. I encourage you to do so. You can see how the sausage is made. You can be the watchdog on the front lines of all this voter fraud you think is happening.

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              [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              LOL. I'm naive says the person who thinks the electronic voting machines are more reliable. https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-a-data-security-expert-fears-u-s-voting-will-be-hacked-11587747159 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-vulnerabilities-of-our-voting-machines/ https://thefulcrum.us/voting/hacking-voting-machines

              It is so much harder to falsify hundreds of paper documents or disappear thousands of ballots. One person can't do it on their own; they would need help. The more people you involve in any type of conspiracy/crime the easier it is for them to get caught. Whereas with hacking the voting machines one person can do it and it can be done without leaving a trace. We'd all be better off if paper votes were counted by hand by old church ladies and it took weeks to get final results.

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                [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                You are acting as if mail-in ballots are the thing we ought to be worried about when it comes to mass election fraud when the real vulnerable spot where you could change results without a trace are the machines. I'm not naive or uninformed; I've actually worked the polls which I've mentioned repeatedly. It seems like you just want to remain panicked about this much less likely scenario out of what I can only assume is partisanship. Go work the polls if you care so much - I'll repeat it again. It's not hard to get those jobs - they're actually asking younger people to take them.

                [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                Mysophobia - (aka verminophobia, germophobia, germaphobia, bacillophobia, bacteriophobia; from Greek: musos/uncleanness + phobos/fear) a pathological fear of contamination and germs; coined in 1879 describing an obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) repeatedly washing one's hands. Note the "Cause" section. /s/Illusions/comments/5pkv/mysophobia_aka_verminophobia_germophobia/

                [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                Objection. Relevance.

                [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                " I'm not planning to go anywhere crowded and inhale other people's germs. "

                [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                It's not a phobia when there's a respiratory virus killing people and causing permanent organ damage, my dude. It's called being a rational fucking human being with a sense of self-preservation.

                [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Allegedly.

                [–]GFIYTFUYDYTRDYESRESR 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                vote by mail does work, if people are honest. the problem is that nowadays people are not honest, and there most definitely are people that want to cheat the system and stuff the ballot boxes.

                there is an agressive effort by some folks that want to convince everybody that mail in voting is okay, but it really is not okay.

                it opens the door for massive fraud that would take an eternity to unravel.

                if you want your upcoming election to be jimmy-rigged, then just go ahead and allow mail-in voting, and say goodbye to mr trump.

                if the election is legit, he will win.

                TRUPM 2020

                [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                Again, I worked the polls and it doesn't matter whether someone comes in in person or submits an absentee or vote-by-mail ballot. All that shit gets counted by the same people, all of whom have to check the ballots against the voter registration list. The majority of your security concerns should be aimed squarely at the easily hacked voting machines that are used to tabulate all ballots including the paper ballots in most areas. If you had any remaining concern, well that would lie with people who are verifying the count who are largely state government employees. Regular people aren't out there stuffing ballot boxes and if they were they would be election officials who would have no incentive to use mail-in ballots to do that - it would actually take a lot longer to mail out ballots to random voters than to just manufacture fake ballots or, again, hack the very easy to hack voting machines. This is all a fake problem that you've bought into because "Trupm" said so. In fact he's either just talking out his ass or he wants an excuse to declare the election invalid and rule as a dictator.

                [–]GFIYTFUYDYTRDYESRESR 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

                with mail-in voting, it is not a very big deal for me to mail in two hundred million fake votes.

                your move.

                [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                For the millionth time, the votes get mailed in to the exact same people who would tabulate the in-person votes and those votes are checked against the voter registration lists by actual humans. So it makes, again, no fucking difference, the method by which a person votes.

                [–]GFIYTFUYDYTRDYESRESR 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                again, for the millionth time, why are you obsessed with having mail-in voting?

                [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                I wouldn't call it an obsession but COVID. I know people who have had it and been hospitalized with it. In-person voting will spread Covid especially in places where lines are long. It will prevent medically vulnerable people (or people who are caregivers of those types of people) from voting. I want the most registered voters to vote as possible.

                [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                Like, how are you imagining this mail-in ballot being dealt with? Do you think that anything that gets mailed to the board of elections is magically tabulated by elves without checking it against any official lists? The votes aren't even visible on the outside of the ballots! The biggest risk is actually from throwing ballots away, but that would be done by government officials, not individual people, and again, that could more easily be done by hacking voting machines. - If you've never googled how easy it is to hack the voting machines, get on that. I expect better from random internet people - most people who spend this much time on the internet are already aware that voting machines represent the major election fraud threat.

                [–]GFIYTFUYDYTRDYESRESR 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                what exactly is your interest in mail-in voting being allowed?

                [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Covid, my friend. This is the obvious answer but your mind won't accept it because you default to distrusting the most obvious answer and also people's motives. Also, again, I used to live in a state where almost everyone has used mail-in voting for years. Somehow Oregonians still elect blue reps in the blue areas and red reps in the red areas.

                [–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Also can I just say "two hundred million fake votes" not a big deal - it's like you don't understand the amount of paper that would require, postage, people handling those boxes and not noticing a discrepancy, people processing those votes by hand (which is the case with mail in voting) and somehow not noticing that they don't match the lists, etc. It's just stunning that you think that would be easy to achieve. 1,000 fake votes on paper would be almost impossible to pass through, let alone two hundred million. On a voting machine, piece of fucking cake, which is again why, if there is fraud on a mass scale it will be done digitally.