Yang Drops Out

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[–]Butttcandy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

It just seems like people are scared of free money

[–]jamesK_3rd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My money is on that they're going to get it wether they like out or not, maybe not yet, but it's coming.

[–]AnarchySpeach 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Because what's free for one person is stolen from another.

[–]jamesK_3rd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The problem is you look at the government as giving you something.

The government doesn't produce money for itself. It gets money through different schemes which generally revert to taxing of it's citizens. When the govt decides to increase its taxes on one certain group(s) to give to another group(s), in any other circumstance we call that theft.

If you find that acceptable, please provide your street address so that the many may come and see what might be available.

[–]AnarchySpeach 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Your argument that it's already stolen makes it sound like you're for such an idea. I mean, we're already being stolen from, might as well get some of it back. Except for Frank. He didn't qualify for UBI, so we get to take more of his money. lol

please provide your street address

Ask google. I'm sure if you sent in a request form they'd give it to you for free the same way they do for the government.

[–]jamesK_3rd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No I'm already paying enough in taxes. Why Should i pay more for the malfeasance and ineptness of the govt.

And no, Google and the govt aren't the same regardless of how you might want to believe they are and regardless both being bad actors.

[–]AnarchySpeach 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Google and the govt aren't the same

Not yet.

[–]Butttcandy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

So people are scared of free money because it's been stolen? From where?

[–]AnarchySpeach 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So people are scared of free money because it's been stolen?

Yes.

From where?

From themselves. That is the fear.

Ignoring the economic consideration (short term boost to the economy), the problem isn't getting the free money. It's not getting it. It's having to pay more taxes for something that has a chance of never benefiting them.

If UBI is created there will be strings attached. Hoops to jump through.

For those who fail to qualify the taxes supporting UBI are equal to burning money.

There are other implications and potentials for abuse as well. If you're using the money to survive the mere threat of having that last source of income removed is enough to control large portions of the populous. Depending on what tests need to be passed, and where the paperwork goes, this could lead to some people gaining an absurd amount of power over others.

Back to the economic side of things: The value of the money will drop. It will happen slowly. Eventually it will equal out to the point where UBI income won't be enough to make ends meet. All it will do is delay the inevitable.

It's a band aid fix. Not the tourniquet America desperately needs.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Again, I'm not part of the #yangang, I don't know how I ended up on their e-mail list. I honestly don't believe in "political theater", you know that. But I've been curios enough to click a few and watch some of the attached to videos to understand how "his idea" of UBI works.

He's stated in a few speeches that social media apps like Google, Twitter and Facebook have reached such a level, that they're already involved in politics, influencing elections and that politicians use them to communicate information to the general public. They also take the ad revenue, as well as data we generate as independent users, and sell it indefinitely to the highest bidders/whoever shows interest. Yang's idea (iirc, I'm not a follower of his politics), was to basically recognize Google, Twitter, Facebook and the like as government institutions that need to answer to certain rules. And as such, due to the insane profit they make off our ad revenue and selling our data indefinitely, owe it's home country that gave it a place to build it's platform and reach such an international height of use, a tax. That's where our UBI would come from; it wouldn't be stolen from anyone, as this is a virtual commodity that we as users generate.

I don't remember the exact numbers, but even still, we wouldn't get 100% profit and according to Yang's campaign, we'd be able to offer that amount to each individual household using his model, while still allowing the big tech companies to profit. Essentially a win-win situation for everyone, minus the insane greed.

But again, I don't know his politics or if the information I'm supplying on his campaign is 100% accurate as I've only seen a few of his speeches that were sent out in e-mails, such as that one he won an award for (can't find it, do a search result and everything is spammed about it him dropping out).

[–]AnarchySpeach 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Google, Twitter and Facebook

Not sure what's stopping them from saying no and moving to a different country. This isn't a small number of moneys we're talking about.

it wouldn't be stolen from anyone,

While a few mil (or 100 mil, depending on who got permission to get UBI) that's still enough for them to throw a fit about if they wanted to.

Now I'm curious how many Yang adds were on facebook or twitter. I can't remember seeing very many. lol