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[–]Musky[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Why is it only the vaccinated getting these heart attacks then?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why is it only the vaccinated getting these heart attacks then?

This.

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Why is it that you and a few others support a baseless, unfounded claim? Why support the disinformation? (There were heart attacks before COVID. You also never see any medical records for these claims.)

[–]Musky[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

There has been a major jump in heart attacks in young people, that is undisputed. Most everyone just took a brand new experimental shot, most everyone got Covid. They are logical culprits. But the heart attacks I keep seeing are vaccinated people, despite claims to the contrary

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There has been a major jump in heart attacks in young people

Nope - same before, same now.

that is undisputed.

See above

Most everyone just took a brand new experimental shot

Not experimental

most everyone got Covid.

You can't explain everything with disinformation arguments. COVID was severe or fatal for those who didn't get the shots.

They are logical culprits.

Nope

But the heart attacks I keep seeing are vaccinated people

Keep looking

despite claims to the contrary

Well well - look at all those medical records you pulled out of your bum

We've discussed this many times.

[–]Musky[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Nope - same before, same now.

Like I said, that point isn't disputed by MSM. https://www.salon.com/2023/02/13/heart-young-people-cardiology/

Not experimental

It takes years before the long term effects from a medication are known, similarly we won't know if there are any long term complications from MRNA vaccines.

We've discussed this many times.

And you're still wrong.

Well well - look at all those medical records you pulled out of your bum

I assumed you were familiar with the study that claims a lower incidence of heart attacks among the covid vaxxed, 40% lower for fully shotted up, 20% lower for partial. But that's not what I'm seeing in the news, the people dying are likely vaccinated (athletes, entertainers, etc). That is my observation.

And suspecting scientific dishonesty is not some crazy impossible conspiracy theory, Pfizer has literally been caught faking studies before. They have a history of it. There's certainly motive.

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Look up: Matthew Rozsa

His ONE job is to spread disinformation disguised as normal MSM questions.

[–]Musky[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Matthew Rozsa is a professional writer whose work has appeared in multiple national media outlets since 2012 and exclusively at Salon since 2016.01 He received a Master's Degree in History from Rutgers-Newark in 2012.1 Rozsa applies the knowledge base and research skills acquired through his graduate work to the numerous issues discussed in his articles.0 He was a guest on Fox Business in 2019, repeatedly warned of Trump's impending refusal to concede during the 2020 election, spoke at the Commonwealth Club of California in 2021, was awarded a science journalism fellowship from the Metcalf Institute in 2022, and appeared on NPR in 2023.1

Doesn't sound like a kook, but that's not the only article on this subject. I picked Salon cause it's a libby rag.

How about this one: https://scitechdaily.com/covid-19-surges-linked-to-spike-in-heart-attack-deaths-like-nothing-seen-before/

Or pick your favorite source. https://search.brave.com/search?q=why+are+heart+attacks+on+the+rise

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

1 in a million cases, treated with blood thinners for a couple days, sometimes due to pre-existing medical problems or heart disease. We've discussed this a million times. You've seen that medical research a million times.

[–]Musky[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Covid itself increases the risk of heart attack for a year after infection.

https://archive.ph/wip/VDy67

Even a mild case of COVID-19 can increase a person’s risk of cardiovascular problems for at least a year after diagnosis, according to a study published in Nature in February 2022.2 Overall, those who had recovered from COVID

https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/covid-19-diagnosis-raises-risk-of-heart-attack-stroke

A study published in The Lancet in August 2021 found that the risk of heart attack and stroke increases sharply in the weeks following a COVID-19 diagnosis. The risk of a first heart attack increased by three to eight times, and the risk of a first stroke caused by a blood clot multiplied by three to six times. In the following weeks, both risks decreased steadily but stayed elevated for at least a month. COVID-19 infections appear to be especially risky because they trigger an exaggerated inflammatory response that makes blood clots more likely.

So yeah, we know Covid can do that, and we don't know exactly why, so why wouldn't the vaccine also be problematic?

This is interesting. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100279/

The best well-known vaccines have utilized either mRNA or an adenovirus vector to direct human cells to produce the spike protein against which the body produces mostly neutralizing antibodies. However, recent reports have raised some skepticism as to the biologic actions of the spike protein and the types of antibodies produced. One paper reported that certain antibodies in the blood of infected patients appear to change the shape of the spike protein so as to make it more likely to bind to cells, while other papers showed that the spike protein by itself (without being part of the corona virus) can damage endothelial cells and disrupt the blood-brain barrier.

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

1 in a million cases, treated with blood thinners for a couple days, sometimes due to pre-existing medical problems or heart disease. We've discussed this a million times. You've seen that medical research a million times.