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[–]Vulptex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (42 children)

Do you realize you're telling me I don't know my own woes? I was born one sex, developed one sex, solidified as one sex, and now the most I can get is a select few additions from the other puberty. And I cannot attain the most important thing, which is undoing the hell of my current feature set. Not to mention the amount of money and time and pain and dependence it requires, which never goes away. It's almost easier to just deal with what I have now than to turn into a mangled mess.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (41 children)

Do you realize you're telling me I don't know my own woes?

No I didn't realise that.

It's almost easier to just deal with what I have now than to turn into a mangled mess.

A lot of people end up making that call. But the dysphoria itself is stronger in some transexuals than others.

What motivates you to hang out on a basically trans-hating website?

[–]Musky 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (40 children)

Hahaha, you were trying to tell a gender dysphoric person how things were and got owned. How does anyone not know Vulpie?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

He's (?) incorrect about transitioning not "working", if working means improving mental health.

But transitioning means living as your gender. Reassignment surgery doesn't have great outcomes for sexual function.

How does anyone not know Vulpie?

There's 8 billion people in the world. In round numbers about 8 billion of them haven't heard of vulpie, because they're not as globally famous as you claim.

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

How can you live as a gender you can't be?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It helps if you pass. That means controlling estrogens and androgens while going through puberty, so it's difficult to retrofit.

But people do the best they can. If you live around people like the ones on saidit, they will present problems that maybe you don't want to deal with. But many places most people will get the idea.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Passing might help cement a denial of reality by convincing others of it, but it won't get my mind back or free me of much dysphoria or fix anything internal.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What do you mean by "get my mind back"?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I can't think or feel right ever since puberty.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Was that the start of your dysphoria?

[–]Musky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

He's (?) incorrect about transitioning not "working", if working means improving mental health

I bet that's going to age well.

Let me ask you something, if we find out in 10 years the trannies are all just mentally ill and sterilizing them was unethical, would you feel bad for advocating it?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

It's been more than 10 years. The best treatment we have is supporting them to transition to live as the gender they are.

Sterilization doesn't have to be a part of that.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

It's been more than 10 years

In terms of understanding the psychological and social impact of encouraging people to transition, 10 years is early days. We are only now being allowed to see the horror stories and tales of regret on mainstream media without it being censored or called anti-trans.

The best treatment we have is supporting them to transition

It's not the best treatment for body integrity identity disorder to allow them to amputate their limbs. It is also not the best treatment for schizophrenics to encourage them to do what the voices tell them. Mental health problems have never been successfully treated by encouraging physical alterations that result in permanent inability to reproduce and has reduced lifespan by decades.

to live as the gender they are.

To live as the gender they want to be, or believe they should be.

Sterilization doesn't have to be a part of that.

This has literally been the push from governments, medical institutions, specialists, activist groups and woke parents who wish they had a girl instead of a boy.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

We are only now being allowed to see the horror stories and tales of regret on mainstream media without it being censored or called anti-trans.

Nevertheless it is the best treatment we have in the vast majority of cases.

It's not the best treatment for body integrity identity disorder to allow them to amputate their limbs.

I'm not across what the best treatment for DIID is. What is it?

I notice that people who self amputate have good outcomes psychologically: https://opus.bsz-bw.de/msh/frontdoor/deliver/index/docId/37/file/BIID_successful_Wannabes.pdf

It is also not the best treatment for schizophrenics to encourage them to do what the voices tell them.

True. Also irrelevant.

Mental health problems have never been successfully treated by encouraging physical alterations that result in permanent inability to reproduce and has reduced lifespan by decades.

Are you certain that BIID doesn't have a physical cause?

To live as the gender they want to be, or believe they should be.

The brain is who you are. If you transplant a brain into a body, you don't save the life of the body.

This has literally been the push from governments, medical institutions, specialists, activist groups and woke parents who wish they had a girl instead of a boy.

Difficult to believe. Can you link me to:

1) Some governments pushing this
2) Some medical institutions pushing this
3) Some specialists pushing this. (Do you mean medical specialists?)
4) Parents pushing this

Because I've never seen any of those.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Are you certain that BIID doesn't have a physical cause?

Right back at you. What tests are done to ensure this isn't another issue? Hormone imbalance? Depression? Abuse? None, no tests, no connect the dots, nothing. The NHS just gives kids 3 half hour interviews where they are encouraged to take medication and have surgery. In fact, is it not possible that puberty itself is causing the negative thoughts, depression and confusion? Would it not be more ethical to first allow a child to become mature enough to make a decision themselves without sterilising them, something they might later regret?

If the cause of gender identity is in the mind them why does it require physical alterations?

Why is it that suicidal thoughts and behaviour doesn't reduce after surgery?

Surely you are aware of the Tavistock Clinic scandal, the NHS clinic pressuring kids to go on puberty blockers and is at risk of being sued by thousands of patients?

Why is is that there is predominantly transgenderism in mostly super woke areas like California? Parents push this, there is no way a toddler can be diagnosed with being transgender, and yet it's the norm in wokeville.

If you see what you want to see, I guess you will never have to question your position.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

In fact, is it not possible that puberty itself is causing the negative thoughts, depression and confusion?

That happens a fair bit. The good thing about puberty blockers, is you can stop taking them, and go through puberty.

Would it not be more ethical to first allow a child to become mature enough to make a decision themselves without sterilising them, something they might later regret?

Puberty blockers don't sterilise anyone. Gender reassignment surgery might. Which is why you use puberty blockers on a child.

Why is it that suicidal thoughts and behaviour doesn't reduce after surgery?

They do.

Association Between Gender-Affirming Surgeries and Mental Health Outcomes

Surely you are aware of the Tavistock Clinic scandal, the NHS clinic pressuring kids to go on puberty blockers and is at risk of being sued by thousands of patients?

As with other parts of the NHS, under-funding and under-staffing results in too short consultation periods, unclear treatment pathways due to uncertain diagnosis.

I'm pretty sure if you just left the EU, you could put £350 Million per week back into the NHS, solving these issues.

Why is is that there is predominantly transgenderism in mostly super woke areas like California?

Because kids in conservative places would suffer through rather than bring it up.

If you see what you want to see, I guess you will never have to question your position.

Right back at you.

You didn't provide any links to:

1) Some governments pushing this
2) Some medical institutions pushing this
3) Some specialists pushing this. (Do you mean medical specialists?)
4) Parents pushing this

Did you make it up yourself, or do you claim "Tavistock" is sufficient for each of those?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The brain is who you are.

Oh boy do you have a lot to learn. Your brain is actually a VR interface limiting you to this world and this body. Because this is a simulation or dream of some sort, almost beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes it does. There's no way to avoid being sterilized even without SRS. You'd have to switch sexes for real.

[–]Musky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Gender reassignment surgery has been around, but we have never had a transgender fad, or so many organizations and institutions push kids towards transgenderism before. We can see the trend, I believe, already beginning in the r/detrans subscriber count.

Sterilization doesn't have to be a part of that.

Sometimes it's just lopping off a nice pair of breasts or adding ridiculous looking fake breasts to a man.

You didn't answer my question.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

It would be a pity, and vanishingly unlikely.

Do you feel bad now, that lives are being saved and mental states improved by transitioning, for advocating against it?

[–]Musky 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's not settled science transitioning actually helps, and it doesn't take into account the more recent fad aspect to it.

The NHS says it's a phase for most kids. WebMD even has an article about issues with transitioning: Doctors Have Failed Them, Say Those Who Regret Transitioning

there is growing concern among many doctors and other healthcare professionals as to whether this is, in fact, the best way to proceed for those under aged 18, in particular, with several countries pulling back on medical treatment and instead emphasizing psychotherapy first.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The NHS says it's a phase for most kids.

That's why no one transitions kids.

WebMD even has an article about issues with transitioning: Doctors Have Failed Them, Say Those Who Regret Transitioning

A small minority of people should not have transitioned. They were misdiagnosed.

About 97% of people who transition are happy with the decision. It would be better to do better, and I suspect that we are doing better than we have in the past.

But the figures don't support the argument that transitioning is wrong. It is right in the vast majority of cases.

(https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Lives are not being saved by transitioning.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How come they are in the UK?

https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/MHRJ-05-2014-0015/full/html

The study revealed high rates of suicidal ideation (84 per cent lifetime prevalence) and attempted suicide (48 per cent lifetime prevalence) within this sample. A supportive environment for social transition and timely access to gender reassignment, for those who required it, emerged as key protective factors.