Would anybody like to do a thought experiment with me?

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In 6 months Russia hits the east coast with Tsunami nukes from their subs, then invades Alaska. China, coordinating with Russia, lands in Mexico and invades the southwest.

Questions:

  1. Who do you side with? China? Russia? American Military? Local militias? Do the Chinese or Russians offer dissidents collaboration deals? Would they be trustworthy? Would the US military cut a deal with the enemy? Would the american economy and populace be strong enough/united enough to fight if the war lasted for years?

  2. Where do the Jews go? Do they leave before, during or after? Or do they just stay and hope the US military 'wins'. What does Israel do during the attack? What does Europe and specifically the Uk do? What does Japan and India do?

  3. Who wins?

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[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Would the american economy and populace be strong enough/united enough to fight if the war lasted for years?

No. Half the country wants to chop their dicks off. I don't think the US could win any war. We lost to afghani goat fuckers. Now you want us to fight Chyynuh? Fucken fuhggetaboutit.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is a defensive war.

In any case everyone loses because nukes. Except for those near the equator where nuclear winter won’t be as harsh.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I live in Quito, so I will be enjoying the cooler weather.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What's it like there? The altitude in Ecuador makes it seem tempting to stay for a while.

[–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If the Russians nuked the East Coast, Russia would in turn be nuked, and the rest of the US in turn be nuked, and probably Europe as well, and who knows if China gets involved, but I get that this is hypothetical.

Who do you side with? China? Russia? American Military? Local militias?

Not going there, would advise others not to go there, and tbh I'm not even sure. It would depend on a lot of variables. I was once willing to die for this country. Not anymore. We dont even really have a country anymore. Just a place we currently reside.

Would the american economy and populace be strong enough/united enough to fight if the war lasted for years?

I seriously doubt it. Younger Americans are incredibly soft, degenerate, and dysfunctional and Americans in general hate each other and are bitterly divided anyway. Normally when a country is attacked or invaded, people circle the wagons and come together to fight a common enemy, and that probably would have happened to some extent prior to the events of the last few years. But not any more. Im sure a lot of dumbshit rednecks would still be willing to die for uncle shmuel though.

Where do the Jews go?

As we saw with Ukraine, a large portion would go to Israel, or simply use their wealth to transplant elsewhere.

Or do they just stay and hope the US military 'wins'.

Oh they might hope the US military wins, so long as it remains controlled by ZOG, but they would likely still leave the country, then if the US military won move back in, or even try to cut deals and profit from whoever was likely to win if they wanted a head start in subverting the eventual victor.

What does Europe and specifically the Uk do?

Almost certainly side and even suicidally fight with the US.

What does Japan and India do?

Probably stay neutral. Japan might do some token or symbolic siding with the US, but still stay out of it.

Who wins?

In reality. No one. Because you know, nukes.

But if somehow the parties involved survived complete nuclear annihilation, I'm honestly not sure. If it happened tomorrow it would be a coin toss. If it happened 20 years from now, China and Russia most likely.

What does Israel do during the attack?

Probably use the opportunity to finish ethnically cleansing the Palestinians, and wage a broader territorial war in the middle east. Like Jews in general, they would probably sit things out unless or until it was clear who the winner would be. At this point the Russians and Chinese both know Israel, or more specificially the Jews, control the US, so they might offer Israel a deal to use diaspora Jews to betray the US.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

America: We don't even really have a country anymore. Just a place we currently reside.

That's exactly what Hitler said about American-based Europeans being reduced to nomads.

Personally, I don't see how notions of "white solidarity" can substitute the duty to serve a country, seeing as how WN is a predominantly American disposition and mentality. Europeans further lower and degrade themselves by imitating Americans instead of doing their own pioneering work into the unknown. In this respect, even Fascism is insufficient. What was really admirable about NS policy was that they insisted that their system wasn't an export article and encouraged other nations to experiment with systems of government.

Europe: Almost certainly side and even suicidally fight with the US.

I don't think it'll be that simple. Certainly there's great mistrust for Russia, but this misunderstanding was largely instigated by the pseudo-liberal order and conservatives.

Poland will most certainly side with America since its long been one of its main beneficiaries. France and Italy will probably be mired in anarchy and civil war. After which at least France may finally come to its senses and give up its political ambitions in favor of renewing its scientific prestige. In Catholic prophecies, France has an important role to play in restoring order to Europe. The seers also predicted that the war in Europe would be divided between the North and the South, that is, between eastern and western European states.

Depending on what transpires in Russia, eastern Germany/southern Bavaria will either be swept up by a non-communist revolution exported from Russia or coerced by Russian communists into collaboration, leading to a civil war between western and eastern Germans. Germany and Russia are destined to unite and their combined might represents the only force capable of posing a threat to US interests.

Suppose the English government still secretly harbors resentment towards America for its lost prestige. If the Rothschilds are still upset about Hitler locking up one of their members after all these years, then why can't there be a faction of British officials like that going behind the current government's back? Then all that's needed is demagogy to transfer it to the British people.

Hitler anticipated England and America to one day settle the score, and looked forward to a day England would side with Germany against America. Our current state of affairs is largely the result of their shared interests (British balance of power vs natural free play of forces, British/American debt slavery and hegemony).

Putting a wedge between English and American interests would be an unprecedented, historic achievement. Strangely enough, the German serial killer Carl Panzram once made a serious attempt to instigate a conflict between these two countries.

Israel: Probably use the opportunity to finish ethnically cleansing the Palestinians, and wage a broader territorial war in the middle east.

Thankfully, they're a very predictable lot. The question is, will they finally receive their long awaited tyrant despot or will this territorial expansion be overseen by bureaucratic mediocrities?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Who do you side with? China? Russia? American Military? Local militias? Do the Chinese or Russians offer dissidents collaboration deals?

I'd side with God to let me swim for my life lmfao. I think making this out to be some ideological question is asinine, I'd run with even Israelis if it meant food and safety for my family. I don't think there are any domestic dissident groups organized enough to make a meaningful effort for or against the invaders, nor are local militias really intact enough to provide for anyone outside their members. Realistically US military remnants would be the main player at least in my locality though I wouldn't be surprised if in the chaos National Guard units started acting autonomously.

Would the US military cut a deal with the enemy?

If it's gotten to the point they can go this far what could the US possibly give them that'd make them turn back?

Would the american economy and populace be strong enough/united enough to fight if the war lasted for years?

The US military remnants would force them at gunpoint and violently purge anyone who collaborated with the enemy. Though I imagine depending on the deterioration of central command they'd devolve into disorganized looting themselves.

Where do the Jews go? Do they leave before, during or after? Or do they just stay and hope the US military 'wins'.

Depends on the class of Jew but I imagine those who know would leave asap.

What does Israel do during the attack? What does Europe and specifically the Uk do?

Retaliatory nukes and invasions though I'd assume if they had the guts to invade in that manner they had something up their sleeve that'd neutralize that.

What does Japan and India do?

Japan would rapidly develop nuclear deterrence and perhaps seek detente with China (if it hasn't already in this alternate universe). India would give terse warnings on muh nukes that don't even work. Maybe they'd send troops with the blue helmets too.

Who wins?

China if their industrial capacity remains intact. Toss-up if it's destroyed by retaliatory nukes or what have you.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I wouldn't be surprised if in the chaos National Guard units started acting autonomously.

They wouldn't be guard units though they'd essentially become militias.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Would genuinely be interesting to see

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'd side with God to let me swim for my life. I'd run with even Israelis if it meant food and safety for my family.

I find this mentality really despicable, I'm reminded of the smug individualism of the past. But that'll probably be most people's preferred course of action.

I think making this out to be some ideological question is asinine.

It's mistaken to believe WW3 would ultimately be about survival, let alone confined to racial/class hatreds. Only a war of ideologies can bring about a decisive resolution to these unresolved conflicts. Unlike the first two world wars, it will not be Pan-Nordic vs Pan-Slavic.

We're at a crossroads of destiny. For the first time in world history, the masses stand a chance of discerning between tyranny and freedom. They're slowly learning that the "freedom" envisioned by the democratic, pseudo-liberal order is a meaningless catchphrase.

The US military remnants would force them at gunpoint and violently purge anyone who collaborated with the enemy.

In WW2, the Russians shied away from executions, preferring to entrust it to Chinese, Mongolian, and Latvian soldiers. And as we all know, their commissars were typically Jewish. The Russians were mainly concerned with engaging German soldiers and didn't really stick around for looting, rape, etc.

It really depends on how much of the Asiatic element is found in these military remnants. Lately, there have been many depictions in shows and films of whites as pragmatic and not sparing their own, as a contradistinction to idealistic Asiatic heroes.

Though I imagine depending on the deterioration of central command they'd devolve into disorganized looting themselves.

Incidentally, the Russian series To the Lake depicts this scenario quite convincingly.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I find this mentality really despicable, I'm reminded of the smug individualism of the past. But that'll probably be most people's preferred course of action.

Well my point is more that you rarely really have much of a choice in these situations unless you were already involved in something in the first place. You don't get an options screen where you magically get to choose what team you're on. Pragmatism is not individualism. It's better to live to fight another day for your cause than to sacrifice yourself while gaining nothing, not even glory.

It's mistaken to believe WW3 would ultimately be about survival, let alone confined to racial/class hatreds. Only a war of ideologies can bring about a decisive resolution to these unresolved conflicts. Unlike the first two world wars, it will not be Pan-Nordic vs Pan-Slavic.

In the scenario that this happens in 6 months, any ideological question is not ours to decide. If you're talking about something within a decade or two I'd agree with you to an extent, at least that you have to attempt to build some sort of alternative that could replace the current order.

It really depends on how much of the Asiatic element is found in these military remnants. Lately, there have been many depictions in shows and films of whites as pragmatic and not sparing their own, as a contradistinction to idealistic Asiatic heroes.

Well the US forces has a large contingent of hispanics, mulattoes, and native americans that they're much more likely to use on domestic soil.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well my point is more that you rarely really have much of a choice in these situations unless you were already involved in something in the first place.

There is always a choice presented in these situations. To say otherwise is to absolve oneself of responsibility.

If you're compelled to work for the enemy, there's still a lot of good you can do in their midst.

In the scenario that this happens in 6 months, any ideological question is not ours to decide.

What is important above all is to know the distinction between good and evil, the failure to do so is the cause of confusion.

Besides, 6 months is plenty of time to get the facts straight. In fact, that's how long it took for me to wean myself off of Christianity.

It's better to live to fight another day for your cause than to sacrifice yourself while gaining nothing, not even glory.

A fair point, perfectly in line with the Nordic pov (i.e. Edda), but it still sounds like a convenient excuse. Hitler once quoted from the Edda (paraphrased): in the end, there is only death and the glory of deeds.

If you were in Colonel General Paulus' shoes, what would you have done?

Pragmatism is not individualism.

If the individual puts his and family's interests before the nation, that's pragmatic.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you're compelled to work for the enemy, there's still a lot of good you can do in their midst

Not denying that ofc, I'm just saying the idea of picking and choosing a team isn't so clear cut in real situations, especially immediately.

Besides, 6 months is plenty of time to get the facts straight. In fact, that's how long it took for me to wean myself off of Christianity.

Getting the facts straight in your head is a totally different scenario than exerting that onto the world. Good job on doing that though.

If you were in Colonel General Paulus' shoes, what would you have done?

You could argue he did considerable amount for his race in his capacity in Eastern Germany, things that wouldn't have been accomplished had he committed suicide. However I think him acting as a witness at Nuremberg and his statement on German prisoners were despicable. I think the moral standing of what he did is worse given who and what he was fighting for before capture. This would be different for a civilian getting caught up in a war.

If the individual puts his and family's interests before the nation, that's pragmatic.

Is betrayal of shadowy forces in Washington or wherever your current state is based the same as the betrayal of your people?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

1)

Who do you side with? China? Russia? American Military? Local militias?

Ideally, I'll align with the side championing ideals, ideological struggle, displaying bravery, strength, and industry (wholesome integration of whites, blacks, and Asians). In short, achieving greatness, whether material or spiritual.

Ultimately, I'll side with the side which can muster up a Hitler or Stalin, regardless of whether they're good or bad. And if both sides of the conflict manage to produce such giants, I guess I'll be playing for both sides.

It's not really about who wins, but who fights the hardest and lays down an unforgettable legacy. But it seems that both sides will somehow be well-balanced and unable to vanquish the other. Both sides will lie in ruins and a new nation will be founded.

If none of the above factions have these things going for them, then all is truly lost. Realistically, I'll be forced into servitude by whoever wields the gun.

If I even remotely cared for my well-being or for my family, I'd have to look out for their survival. However, my family isn't really worth salvaging (Christian parents, relatives intermarrying) and I've never really been close with them. A great gulf between me and my parents was instigated against me when I was a child and teenager. I also don't have a livelihood or career to worry about. So I find myself in a very fortuitous position where I can ideologically go all-out and not have to worry about losing anything.

Do the Chinese or Russians offer dissidents collaboration deals?

Unless China or Russia were to broker an offer to me on account of my research. I actually had a bizarre dream about this scenario, the only WW3-themed dream to date.

But if they have any good sense about them, they'd know better than to trust traitors and would keep a close eye on them. Three lessons from Aesop: The Partridge and the Fowler, The Flea and the Man, The Thieves and the Cock.

Would they be trustworthy?

Probably not, but the Russians aren't nearly as pragmatist as the Chinese.

Would the US military cut a deal with the enemy?

Unfortunately, I don't know jack squat about the US military.

Would the american economy and populace be strong enough/united enough to fight if the war lasted for years?

They'd need one hell of a president to turn things around. I can name a few non-public candidates, there are real visionaries and pioneers out there in America, but the chances of them getting into power through politics is infinitesimal.

According to Hitler, the only thing holding America together is technology. When that stops working and when they lose their oversea "colonies" abroad, they'd disintegrate more swiftly than India. Like England, the US isn't really adapted to deal with a long-term famine. They've long had their unresolved racial and social problems shoved under a rug or blamed on their enemies. The unwillingness to accept responsibility for the current state of affairs will be their very undoing.

2)

Where do the Jews go?

One might assume that like in WW2, they'd find refuge everywhere and have plenty of relatives living abroad. But that's assuming the cities will be intact, not devastated by revolution and exclusively occupied by revolutionaries.

Historically, their ancestors found solace in the wilderness and desert regions, the question is whether these environments will prove hospitable to them. Doesn't matter how familiar one might be with these places as a survivalist, they'll be radically changed.

Considering the advent of Christian and Muslim predictions, this time around they won't find any places to hide, unless they've effectively ceased to be a Jew and are fully assimilated.

Do they leave before, during or after?

The Third Reich of Dreams highlights how non-entrenched Jews received premonitory warnings of their impending fate, which turned out to be true. Hitler alluded to their uncanny sixth sense, he was unable to descry how much of their activity rested on conscious calculations or unconscious instinct.