TIL: the soybean was the official bean of NS Germany

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I caught this while watching this episode of Lex Fridman's podcast. He's probably Jewish (Fridman's not his real name and I don't think he looks that Jewish but his father looks a whole lot like Albert Einstein), but sometimes he covers interesting topics. This episode discusses science in National Socialist Germany. There's a lot of bullshit, propaganda and general shitlibbery, but there are some interesting nuggets here and there. For example, the guest, Robert Proctor, brings up the "6 million Holocaust" newspaper entries before 1945. He also talks about soybeans, and it seems to check out:

Despite the limited success of Haberlandt’s vision in the prewar era, the “age of extremes” from 1914 to 1945 created renewed demand for cheap supplies of protein. Ensuring national food security became a prime goal of the interventionist state, while simultaneously mobilizing for a “total war” or struggling with a “great depression.” Nutritionists in collaboration with state agencies and food companies promoted soy flour as a cheap “ersatz” version of scarce foodstuffs. Germany in particular, most aggressively engaged in the two world wars and most severely hit by the world-economic crisis, made efforts to exploit soy’s nutritional potential. Nazi Germany enforced soybean cultivation in Southeast Europe and distributed soy-based rations among its soldiers; thus, the Western Allies coined the term “Nazi bean.”

https://www.environmentandsociety.org/arcadia/friedrich-haberlandts-failed-vision-soy-european-food-cultures-1873-1945

The Allies weren't the only ones to use this term:

A darker negative association may stem from the fact that the Third Reich promoted a fanatically healthy diet rich in wholegrain and soy. A Hitler Youth pamphlet even referred to soybeans as “Nazibohnen” (“Nazi Beans”).

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/tofu-in-germany

So maybe it's not so bad. Also, the Japanese eat more soy than anybody, and have for centuries, but they were as virile a nation as any up until they had American liberal capitalism imposed on them by force following World War 2.

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (52 children)

To be honest all the stuff about soy, seed oils, fluoride in muh water etc is a cope of sedentary slob niggas who have bitch tits because of their retard lifestyle, and it's pushed on them by grifters selling diet and lifting programs. They cope by pretending their food is poisoned instead of training for combat, strength, movement (climbing, gymnastics, running, parkour etc), and team sports.

Sure there's obviously some truths about certain things being bad for you but these things are like 1% of the problem. If you had an active lifestyle you'd still be strong and relatively healthy even with a shitty modern western diet. When I was a kid I was a fussy eater that just ate fries, burger, pizza etc everyday but I kickboxed/karate, played football, climbed trees, rode mountain bikes and bmx etc for hours everyday and I had abs and shit. According to dietcopers I should have been obese, bed ridden, and perpetually ill due to having no immune system and fucked gut bacteria etc etc.

There's a certain mixture of low agency but high propensity to talk about doing stuff that a lot of people have, these are called bullshitters, almost everyone on the internet is a bullshitter hence why 'post physique' became a thing. Bullshitters are distinct from liars in that most the time they actually believe themselves. Bullshitters are the kind of people to get into diet hysteria, most of the 'gifted child but I was lazy' people are bullshitters for example. This is a very common thing nowadays, especially in our circles too even. Lots of dudes who've never read a book about political organising, revolutions, marketing and propaganda etc nor have they been in an org let alone been a leader love to talk about how they have the secret optics formula that will trick the masses into becoming Nazis. It's the exact same phenomena as them having this One Weird Diet Trick the doctors hate them for, copethinking/bullshitting.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (46 children)

No it's not. It's scientifically proven. Soybean oil is full of phytoestrogens that have calamitous effects on the male body. Plus, soybean oil like all other seed oils are rich in oxidative radicals. They cause oxidative stress in the body and trigger inflammation. This leads to heart disease and cancer.

in 1900, only 1% of males had heart attacks and cancer was almost an unknown disease. Now practically every man has a heart attack by the age of 70 and 40% of people get cancer. In 1900, people cooked with tallow, lard, animal fats, and butter.

Humans have been cooking with these three items for thousands of years and have evolved to digest them. Seed oils were never consumed en masse until the early 20th century. Originally seed oils were used as industrial lubricants and fuel in the 19th century. But the arrival petroleum drove them out of that market. The capitalists that ran that business then started to market Seed oils as edible oil.

They lobbied the American heart association and FDA to normalize seed oils. They took out ads against animal fats, slandering them as poison. The AHA under seed oil-industry money portrayed seed oils as being good for your heart. It was no different than the cigarette industry lobbying academia and regulatory bodies.

It's no different than drug companies running propaganda for anti-depressants and opioids.

In order for a population to maintain healthy body weight, healthy metabolism, and maintain normal hormone levels, it must wean itself off the following poisons: Seed oils, refined sugar, trans-fats, soy extracts, and meat and milk from soy-fed animals.

The diet must be rich in fruits, whole grains, meat, and milk from grass-fed animals, fish, nuts, and berries.

And that means making sacrifices. These things are difficult to mass produce like seed oils and soy-fed animal meat and milk and refined sugars.

If you are going to raise the quality of food, you must lower the quantity. People will be forced to eat less, consume little fast food, and practically zero soft drinks.

And god knows, the modern world could use a reduction in food intake.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

Group A - retains the modern lifestyle but has a 1900 diet

Group B - retains the modern diet but has a 1900 lifestyle

Group B would obviously be healthier and it wouldn't be close, obviously having a good diet would be even better. I'm not saying you should eat like shit, I'm pointing out that it's a cope for bullshitters to do internet slacktivism and convince themselves they've been poisoned when in reality they could easily start actually exercising and it would make a way bigger difference than swapping X item for Y item on their shopping list.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You'd be surprised the negative effects on metabolism that consuming rancid PUFAs can have, it's a toxic cycle that's created and driven by industrial food lobbies.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

weight loss in 80% diet, 20% exercise. It is impossible to lose weight purely through exercise. You have to control your food intake as well. You can hit the gym and lift as much as you like. But if you go home and eat pizzas and burgers filled with mayonnaise and seed oils and then drink coca colas, you'll get no benefit.

You'll gain some muscle and maybe gain some strength and stamina, but you'll remain the same blob you were before. In fact, you might continue to get fatter.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

Are you doing performance art lmao? I feel like you're just trolling right now playing the part of the most extreme caricature of the 'bullshitter' I described.

Anyway, assuming you're just having a chimp moment. You can make both Group A and B eat exactly the same amount of calories. Group B is still going to mog Group A.

When I was a kid I drank only coke, and the typical picky kid diet of burger, fries etc. But I didn't consoom endless calories and I was extremely active, hence I was strong, athletic, low bodyfat etc. We are solely talking about the what of eating, not the quantity.

If you want to be dishonest and retarded about it we'll make Group A eat 10,000 calories per day of muh Traditionalist(TM) diet and Group B eat 2,000 calories of the filthy M*dernist diet. Then we'll conclude that Group B is way healthier! But that would be retarded af, not sure why you did that the other way around, unless you are just messing around.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

You ate a lot of fast food and still were slim at a young age because it was an age of growth. Your metabolism was faster and you're body was rapidly growing. If you did the same today, you'd get fat.

If hard labor could override bad diet, then every construction worker should look like a ripped chad. They're doing hard labor, lifting heavy weights, and moving their body all day, every day. Yet most of them have bellies and jowls. Why? Because they eat shit food. Fast food, beer, foods rich in xenoestrogens and sugar.

By your logic there shouldn't be any fat soldiers in the military. They drill and do vigorous exercises routinely. Yet, the US military has tens of thousands of fat and overweight servicemen. Why? Shit food.

You'll see bankers and wall street financiers with better bodies than construction workers and soldiers yet they sit in an office and stare at monitors all day long. Why? Because they eat good food: Fine dining and other healthy eating. Plus, they do some exercise on the fly.

King Henry the 8th was literally a chad jouster but he became a pig due to overeating.

Your body is like a building and it's constantly being rebuilt and renovated. The food you eat is the building materials. If you eat shit food, your body will be rebuilt with shit materials.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I eat trash food to this day due to circumstances, every day it's pizzas, deep fried food, juices and sodas, etc., and the only issue I had was acid reflux but that's fixed now. No weight issues at all if you're an active individual. Just don't be a fucking pig, have some limits and exercise and you're good to go. I'm not saying you should actively eat trash food, it's just that it's a cope used by unhealthy individuals. Have you seen what most ironybro groypers, the biggest proponents of this diet micro-optimizing, look like irl? lol

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I eat trash food to this day due to circumstances, every day it's pizzas, deep fried food, juices and sodas, etc., and the only issue I had was acid reflux but that's fixed now. No weight issues at all if you're an active individual.

I bet you are under 30 years old. You're just one data point. You'd probably be even strong and sharper if you improved your diet.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Most groypers are the pro fast food ones lol. It's not that hard to eat what your grandparents ate man, and all the people making these convenient factory foods and oils are kikes. Why eat jewed food?

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Nick is a terrible role model for young men. He eats chicken nuggets, soft drinks and eat chocolate fast food shit. Those things are poison for a young man.

If you want to eat well, you should go for fine dining or a quality bakery. Eat pastries from good shops, eat lobsters and gourmet at good restaurants. Eat once a month, but it's still worth it.

Eating shitty fast foods is just paying zog to poison you.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah even Michelin stars use rapeseed oil there's no escaping it. Maybe if you did a lot of research you could find some place decent but mostly cooking yourself is the best option.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ironybro groypers, the biggest proponents of this diet micro-optimizing, look like irl? lol

I've never watched those guys. All I know is that they're all manlets. America first is a manlet advocacy movement- that's all I know.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Don't keep doing this. It will kill your heart.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't want to, but yeah, thanks for well-meaning advice, I appreciate it.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I get it. I love fast food too, but it is lethal. You'll also feel much better overall if you reduce your fast food consumption. Start with once a week, and then keep reducing it until you get to once a month. That's a healthy amount.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

According to your logic...

Group A - lifts weights, 3500 calories per day, eats whatever they want IIFYM style

Group B - sedentary, 3500 calories per day, eats perfectly clean paleo style

...Group B will be stronger, fitter, healthier than Group A. This is obviously retarded. Group B will be overweight and extremely unhealthy, while Group A would be relatively healthy at the same bodyweight.

You're just ignoring literally everything that is said and conflating a bunch of other stuff in that are totally irrelevant to what was actually being discussed. It's obvious that the major factor in physical health degeneration is due to activity levels dropping, not because seed oils or some other nonsense cope.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You are twisting my words completely. I never said that if two groups eat 3500 calories and one eats paleo and the other trash and that bs.

The whole point of my post is that it's necessary to eat healthily. That means eating less.

Your logic is that you can eat 3500 calories a day, which can come from things like Happy meals, french fries fried in soybean oil, pepsi and corn syrup ridden ice cream. But all that won't matter if you just do a lot of physical activity.

You can eat the junk food equivalent of 6 happy meals a day but if you work as a logger, a construction worker or do other physical work, you'll be fine.

That's nonsense. If this was true, there would be no fat construction workers or soldiers. Armies would give ice cream, snickers, and Mcdonald's burgers for meals instead of bread, butter, meat, and eggs.

If you run at top speed for 100 meters and you do this five times, you burn a grand total of 100-120 calories. A single happy meal gets you 600 calories.

You'd have to run 25 100-meter sprints at top speed to overcome that. You'll feel drained after 5.

The very point of the classical diet is that its low on calories but rich in nutrients.

Brown bread, cottage cheese, meat of grass-fed animals, eggs, and fish, will make you feel full, give you necessary nutrients but don't pack as many calories.

You can achieve better health and fullness from eating a trad diet than modern trash.

Eat a meal of meat, eggs, cheese, oranges, and brown bread. Not only will you get the necessary energy but you'll also get proteins, dietary fibres, antioxidants, vitamin c, healthy cholesterol, and a host of other necessary nutrients. This meal might stack 500 calories. It will get you essential nutrients and make you full for 8-10 hours.

Eat a happy meal and you get, estrogens, transfats, and refined sugars in your body. It fucks up your hormones and blood sugar levels. You'll get 600 calories but almost no necessary nutrients. And you'll feel hungry again within 3-4 hours.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Armies would give ice cream, snickers, and Mcdonald's burgers for meals

That's what the American army does but the soldiers are mostly fatasses for sure

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know if that's the norm for US soldiers. Most of the soldiers at the base Biden recently visited were white and normal looking. The few black guys looked fit as well. There was however, an absolutely abberrant looking la creatura sitting next to Biden when he was eating Pizza.

I'll take white Chechen muslims anytime over these Latrino attrocidads.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/03/25/president-biden-visits-us-troops-poland-pizza-party-barbershop/

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Calories in Calories out is largely bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcMBm-UVdII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZCfmgzoS0

Understanding hormones and the effect of different foods on hormones is a much better way to help people get healthier and slimmer. Insulin is really critical.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

These videos are needlessly complex, all this tells the average person who is clueless is that 'diet is super complicated and hard to understand and even if I try to diet it won't work because my hormones are fucked anyway', and that's the whole point it's to make people think that they will need professional help, products, to find out the secret tricks etc. Obviously a person who is more autistic can spend hours watching videos, listening to podcasts, reading studies, books etc and get a good understanding. But that's 1% of people, for the other 99% all this does is complicate and obfuscate.

The average person who wants to get healthier really doesn't need to know any of this shit, just get 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight in your daily calories, then eat at a deficit or surplus depending on whether you want to gain or lose weight. If you do this and you're exercising 95%+ of the hormonal stuff will already be fixed. Use any tricks like keto, OMAD, IF etc if they appeal to you but they're not magic bullets, the meat and potatoes is the meat and potatoes.

I've helped people in my family lose weight without telling them anything complicated whatsoever. I just tell them to track everything they eat on myfitnesspal, make sure they get X grams of protein daily and keep their calories below Y amount depending on the person. Then go out for 2 or 3 short walks of like 10-15 minutes after meals. also give them other tips like rewarding yourself when you hit certain micro-milestones, cut drinking calories etc, help them finding lower calorie alternatives for foods they like and such. These things are incredibly simple and effective, anyone can do them and you can make them tap into people's psychology in a way that actually benefits them rather than the manipulative One Weird Trick overly-complex esoteric shit about the secret chemical that is the reason everyone is fat and it's in ALL FOOD now so nobody can possibly ever lose weight.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Eating a traditional diet isn't that complicated though it's not rocket science. Give Deep Nutrition a read it's worth it.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Indeed, you don't need all this esoteric jargonposting about random shit 99% of people have never heard of.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All I told my mom was "don't eat anything your grandmother didn't have" it's pretty intuitive when you put it like that.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Great book. I've got a hardcover version of it.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I really need to start collecting hardcovers of all these books instead of just relying on libgen

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yup. Eating good food is important.

This is the great class divide of our time. Common people are increasingly forced to eat seed oils, GMO grains and meat and milk from soy-fed animals.

The rich otoh, cook with olive oil and butter, eat meat from grass fed animals, do fine dining and eat fruits plucked from personal farmhouses or high end estates.

As a result, they live healthy and long. While the commoners get a shit ton of diseases and are forced to take an endless quantity of medicines till they die.

I don't want to get into conspiracy territory but I wouldn't be surprised if the medical industry lobbies for toxic foods or lobbies against laws trying to combat bad foods. The sicker the people, the greater the profits.

Most major drug companies are owned by Jews. They get to poison the goyim and make more shekels out of them.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The rich otoh, cook with olive oil and butter, eat meat from grass fed animals, do fine dining and eat fruits plucked from personal farmhouses or high end estates.

Honestly I think people overestimate the competence of the rich, I live in a really well off area and the vast majority of people still eat goyfeed and look like shit.

I don't want to get into conspiracy territory but I wouldn't be surprised if the medical industry lobbies for toxic foods or lobbies against laws trying to combat bad foods.

This isn't conspiracy it's out in the open, just look at the statements put out by Harvard.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This isn't conspiracy it's out in the open, just look at the statements put out by Harvard

link?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://hms.harvard.edu/departments/development/our-donors

https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/no-need-to-avoid-healthy-omega-6-fats

Tbh I don't think it's a deliberate conspiracy to ruin health, but rather some misguided push to more efficient foods that allow more negros to be fed per meter of land. That's why so much research is focused on reducing the health effects of seed oils, they've managed to drastically reduce linoleic acid content in some of them.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

cook with olive oil and butter

This.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

weight loss in 80% diet, 20% exercise

I strongly agree with this. I wish more people understand it and if you just walk around a little bit then weight loss becomes like 90% diet 10% exercise.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes. Take the Grizzlypill.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Bloat maxxing for the Furher.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Must be the vaccine seed oils.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Both the vax and seedoils are increasing mortality rates in the west.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

If you trust the science so much, why don't you marry a negress? The Science says that mulatto babies are smarter and more attractive. Follow the Science, hook up with a negress and get a black stud for your sister as well.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Idc about science and idc about micro-optimizing, so even if it was true (which it isn't), I'd still go with an aryan princess 🙂

Seriously though, stop coping, go to the gym or start running or whatever.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I go to the gym and I run.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The Science says that mulatto babies are smarter and more attractive.

It doesn't though. Propaganda from academia is not science.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the point I was making. Science TM

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In order for a population to maintain healthy body weight, healthy metabolism, and maintain normal hormone levels, it must wean itself off the following poisons: Seed oils, refined sugar, trans-fats, soy extracts, and meat and milk from soy-fed animals.

If you mandated this worldwide you'd see a huge die off because there's more people in the world than can be sustained on traditional agriculture. Would be pretty eugenic ngl

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly. The world needs fewer but better people.

No need for 3 billion congoids living on soy extracts and GMO grains.

Let there only be 200 million high iq, super attractive ubermensch. They'll each have estates rivaling that of medieval barons and they'll live on naturally grown, healthy foods and will stay in equilibrium with nature.

I see no justice in polluting our beautiful rivers and burning down ancient forests in order to feed and house 4 billion congoids. It's unjust to mother earth.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unironically this will be the future someday though we won't live to see it

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

soy, seed oils, fluoride in muh water etc is a cope of sedentary slob niggas who have bitch tits because of their retard lifestyle, and it's pushed on them by grifters selling diet and lifting programs. They cope by pretending their food is poisoned instead of training for combat, strength, movement (climbing, gymnastics, running, parkour etc), and team sports.

Seedoils are a chronic toxin to the body. There's plenty of data to support this. Go off them for 30 days then try them again and tell me you don't experience a difference in energy levels, weight gain, strength etc. A hundred years ago obesity was almost non existent. Seed oils were also only used for industrial lubricants at the time. Farmers wouldn't even use them as animal feed. Then as industries learned the cost savings from seedoils vs traditional animal fats they switch over and the modern diseases all started. The main reason these things are toxic is the manufacturing process. We've talked about it several times on the sub and I didn't really see any push back from you so I'm surprised you're taking this position now. Being strong and health is a big part of the dissident sphere. Pushing back against globo homo industries that care more about profit and a weak populace is critical to dissident politics. I hope you reconsider your position.

Here's a short video if you don't have much time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGLwGOvvWeg

Here's a medium length video if you have more time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQmqVVmMB3

Here's a longer lecture that digs the data more if you're so inclined (it's very good)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kGnfXXIKZM

As for your downplaying the dangers of fluoride that's a much more complicated topic. Maybe I will make a separate post on it. I'm short on time right now. The short of it is the both bromine (in breads) and fluoride (in municipal water) collect in the thyroid and cause hormone issues (the biggest issue being a lowering of test in men). This can be countered. I think people dismiss this stuff because they fail to understand how chronic poisoning works. Floride or bromine isn't going to hurt you once or a hundred times. It's going to hurt you when you ingest it for life.

And for the record I'm not a sedentary slob nigger. I coach and make fitness part of my daily life. I think that people who are healthy and consume these things would be healthier if they didn't and they will also experience more problems as they age if they continue to disregard the dangers. There are also high school athletes that drink soda and eat junk food and still look fit and perform well in sports. However, those athletes don't do well at the college or pro level. They also don't have good fitness in middle age or older age because they are not fueling their bodies properly for the middle or long term.

Sure there's obviously some truths about certain things being bad for you but these things are like 1% of the problem.

I strongly disagree. I think that poisoning the food and waters is one of the biggest weapons of war against our people.

marketing and propaganda etc nor have they been in an org let alone been a leader love to talk about how they have the secret optics formula that will trick the masses into becoming Nazis. It's the exact same phenomena as them having this One Weird Diet Trick the doctors hate them for, copethinking/bullshitting.

Nobody is denying bullshit marketing. Nobody is deny that internet keyboard warrior makes excuses. However, eating healthier and drinking cleaner water is not 'bullshit marketing' or a cope.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

However, eating healthier and drinking cleaner water is not 'bullshit marketing' or a cope.

Obviously it isn't and I didn't say it was, but minmaxing/optimising these bits of your diet is way down the list from calories, macros, sunlight/vitamin d, and exercise for overall health. Which makes it suspect that they're so focused on these smaller things, clearly this focus is a result of manipulating the way people's minds works. It's One Weird Trick novelty bullshit that makes people feel like they have the secret answer and shit like that.

The obsession with these things and putting them at the forefront blaming all the modern age's ills on them is what is retarded and obviously a result of marketing gimmicks and manipulating people's just-so psychology. If people retained everything exactly the same IE calories/macros/activity level but they ate clean rather than like shit it would improve health obviously, but it would be way less impactful than if their lifestyle, calories etc changed but they were still just eating IIFYM style. If you eat like shit but you retain a healthy bodyfat % and you do regular exercise you'll be in a better spot than someone who is a slob with the perfect diet. Hence the primacy of lifestyle, macros, calories etc over seed oils, phytoestrogens, fluoride and other similar things.

To make an analogy with lifting...

Primary - This is analogous to your total calories and protein macro, as well as doing exercise, getting enough sun (or vitamin d3 generally), IE your lifestyle being orientated correctly.

Strength focused compound lifts mostly at 80%+ of your 1 rep max

Secondary - This is equivalent to the rest of your macros being in check

Volume focused, around 60-75% of 1rm training

Tertiary/isolations - This is your optimisation/refinement area which is analogous to micronutrients, getting 'cleaner' calories etc

Isolation work with machines, cables etc

If a PT was telling you the most important part of getting strong, big, athletic is a bunch of fluff and pump isolation work you'd rightly see he's trying to make you spin your wheels and get caught up in novelty. So why not recognise that when they use the same logic with diet optimisation bullshit being primary, rather than in its correct, tertiary, place?

I'm already very much well aware of all these things being shitty. I've been avoiding seed oils for over 5 years already. Lifting and nutrition stuff has been my autism since 2007 or 2008. Still, they're not primary and we should be emphasising to people to just get more active and stop eating so much rather than focusing on optimisation/refinement that is really more endgame stuff.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seed oils make you fat and fill your body with estrogen. It makes you weak and feminine. It's a key weapon in the arsenal of ZOG.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it's pushed on them by grifters selling diet and lifting programs

After the Twitter purge, these guys seem to form a considerable portion of the "right wing" accounts left on the site.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not surprising, whether they're part of the system or not, their existence benefits the system. They work to depoliticise people and get them sucked into weird e-celeb worship in the little self improvement groups.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Hitler was a soyboy. He was literally a vegetarian and he hated meat. He even wanted to transform Germany into a vegetarian country. Hardly surprised that he needed viagra to get it going with Eva Braun.

Remember boys, phytoestrogen not only fucks with your body but also your mind. Hitler frequently ordered massive counteroffensives with divisions that did not exist, like in the case of Felix Steiner in Berlin. Towards the end of the war, Hitler wanted to destroy Germany itself with the Nero order. He ordered all German industry, rail networks, and infrastructure to be destroyed to prevent the Soviets or Americans from accessing it. Thankfully, Albert Speer stopped the order.

Total fag. Manstein or Guderian should've usurped power and become Fuhrer. At the very least by 1944, Hitler should've been overthrown and replaced with Albert Speer.

[–]Wrangel 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He was dead for 50 years when viagra was invented.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/7170290/Adolf-Hitler-took-primitive-Viagra-to-have-sex-with-Eva-Braun-claims-new-book.html#:~:text=Adolf%20Hitler%20took%20a%20primitive,Fuhrer's%20fragile%20health%20has%20claimed.&text=Based%20on%20long%2Ddormant%20medical,of%20his%20medication%20was%20injected.

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This is beyond retardation. This book was written specifically with the purpose to present Sovietesque version of Hitler being drug-addicted tool of capitalism/imperialism. I wouldn't be surprised if you were jewish, first with the schizophrenia, and now with posting literal kike slander.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Fermented soy is fine, industrially processed oil on the other hand is an issue

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Fermented soy is fine

This probably holds true for regular dairy.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem with dairy is mostly that the cows are fed poison and swimming in shit, the udders get all infected and you get blood and pus in the milk. This is why industrial dairy farms need pasteurization. The ideal is definitely fresh raw milk from a farmer you know if you can get it, that's what all our ancestors grew up drinking. I read somewhere raw goat milk is better because of some protein or the other but idk if it makes a difference.