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[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (49 children)

Excellent article, though with regard to the conclusion I'd say I'm a little bit more optimistic on seeing the collapse of modern states and a return to more local self government based on the sheer incompetence in government today. I think the future might look something like Mexico where you have a government that says all sorts of high and mighty bullshit but it has little power on the ground and there are different groups vying for power and sovereignty at the local level.

[–]DisastrousDepth14Race comes first[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (48 children)

I'd love to see monarchy take control again.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Aristocratic forms of government are the natural state of civilization and will return. It cannot happen through revolution or choice, it is an organic development. It will not happen for a long time and the current degenerated leftover aristocrats today will have nothing to do with it.

The immediate future is a Statist form of government.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

I think on a longer timescale it might especially in Asia. Are there any salvageable European noble lines or are they all kiked?

[–]DisastrousDepth14Race comes first[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (38 children)

Are there any salvageable European noble lines or are they all kiked?

I have to say, I do not know much about current state of European nobility because I'm an American. Perhaps someone from Europe can tell us about it.

However if there aren't any then we'll have to form the nobility class once again. It is going to be a long process.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

To my knowledge, the aristocracy is very Americanised and liberalised. Extremely bourgeois people. Usually they're either involved in finance or with humanitarian NGOs, although some have even become adrenaline junkies. The reigning royal families seem to have drawn the worst lot.

[–]DisastrousDepth14Race comes first[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Imagine an aristocratic class made up of ethnonationalists. They must have high IQ (obviously) and healthy instincts.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Imagine an aristocratic class made up of ethnonationalists.

This is more or less what the SS was trying to achieve.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You should read Evola's essays on the SS if you have the time, they are really interesting. /u/Markimus may still have the links.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just need another aristocrat like Roman von Ungern Sternberg to create a new line

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

Were there any notable traditionalist aristocrats in the west in recent history besides Evola? Him and Roman von Ungern Sternberg (absolute legend) are the only two I know of.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Depending on your criteria, I believe a number of German nobility were supportive in some capacity of Hitler and/or National Socialism in general, and at the very least a number of German aristocrats and nobility (including Wilhelm II himself) were extremely anti-semitic and willing to cooperate with Hitler despite disagreements and clinging to archaic and/or jew-created societal elements like capitalism.

Multiple of Wilhelm II's children were even members of the NSDAP, and I'm sure other fascist Third Positionist movements had some degree of success with nobility and aristocrats.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Did any of these aristocrats survive the war ideologically intact? Seems like most NS became willing serfs of the US or the USSR post WW2

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Now that I think about it, Prince Borghese attempted a military coup in post-war Italy. He had some links with Evola and wrote the preface to one of his books. There were some ideas about Prince Borghese heading a military revolution to which Evola would contribute the political-intellectual element, or something along those lines anyway.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

That whole era of Italian history was insane, apparently the radical right at the time was supported by a rogue far-right Masonic temple which was expelled from the main organization

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

How recent? For lower case t traditionalism, there should be plenty, although I could only name a handful. If you are thinking of comprehensive, radical traditionalism like that of Evola, however, there are not many. Evola tends to discuss or reference such people often. He gives very high praise to Metternich and to Donoso Cortes, and he's also made positive remarks on the Prussian Junker culture as a whole, as well as the monarchical institutions of Russia and Austria-Hungary.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Prince Charles funds some Perennial Philosophy club thing, BritNat copers like to pretend he's secretly based and will do some based stuff when the Queen dies. Doubt it but he is apparently a Traditionalism enjoyer.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's genuinely shocking. I had always taken him for a typical liberal. Do you know the name of the club?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Temenos, they seem awfully like feel good yknow what I mean? I haven't read them so I could be entirely wrong, but it feels like a high society version of the typical Buddhism/Hinduism/Paganism/Veganism for libtards. Maybe in their actual work they are doing real critiques and differentiating themselves from the modern world, but on the surface they seem extremely milquetoast.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I wonder if there are a lot of people high up that enjoy some aspects of Traditionalism but wouldn't fight for it because they're too attached to their own material comfort. I know a handful of people like that, albeit from the East.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm certain a lot of them read a lot of religious, reactionary, aristocratic etc stuff. I doubt any of them really care about it more seriously beyond intellectual stimulation and comforting fantasy, no different to reading fiction or history.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Say within the last century or two, whenever the liberal world order really became dominant in the West. Seems like that category went extinct by the 20th century with the end of monarchy in Eastern/Central Europe

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Apart from the ones just listed, looking specifically at the 20th century, the most notable group have to be the Conservative Revolution thinkers in Germany. To my knowledge, a good number of those were aristocratic. There were also a lot of aristocrats involved in the SS. In Spain, there were also aristocratic rightists - both conservative and modernist. The Carlists were a more traditionalist movement, whereas de Rivera's Falange was more modernist. In Italy, there was Gabriele D'Annunzio, the grandfather of Fascism, although perhaps he should not count, since to my knowledge his title was bestowed to him later on in life. In Britain, the only notable rightist aristocrat I can think of was Edward VIII, who was more on the modernist side, however, since his sympathies laid with National Socialism. In Austria there was also von Schuschnigg, who I believe was an aristocrat. Southeastern Europe also had several authoritarian monarchical regimes during the interwar and second world war periods. The Romanian one is probably the most well known on DAR, because of Carol I's actions in assassinating Codreanu and establishing a short-lived, astroturfed pseudo-fascist regime.

I have to confess, though, that I am not very well read on 20th century aristocratic traditionalism. I only know of the more public facing groups and individuals, like Evola, de Rivera, the Conservative Revolution etc. I am sure there are probably a lot of other important individuals who moved in private circles.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for the info I'm gonna have to read more on the subject. Insane how all this largely disappeared or went underground after WW2

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In Britain, the only notable rightist aristocrat I can think of was Edward VIII, who was more on the modernist side, however, since his sympathies laid with National Socialism.

Mosley and the Mitford sisters, I'm sure Mosley had supporters from these social circles too. This article kvetches about fascist and NS sympathisers in the aristocracy too

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Monarchy is a spent force. Reactionary solutions always fail. We should have a revolutionary vision, not a reactionary one.

[–]DisastrousDepth14Race comes first[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What about fascism? It's a mix of reactionary and revolutionary ideas in my opinion.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, but fascism is also a spent force. We need something new.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What do you envision that new thing to be?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not sure yet. I hope it's something like Faye's Archeofuturism, but it's hard to tell what's actually going to happen. What do you think?

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Everything depends on the creativity and energy of the people involved. Without any future political shift, I expect that something derivative of Alain de Benoist's concept of ethnopluralism will come to predominate.