Australia is planning to have a social credit system

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

How so?

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I think technology and social media can be used for tribalist loyalty tests ("virtue signalling etc") and organisation, but they can't really provide any useful information about a person's moral character. Moral character is a subtle thing, it is not easy to transparently examine it, even if the observer is very perceptive and has extensive knowledge of the person in question.

I think rather than measuring pro-social behaviour in the genuine sense of the term, a social credit system would instead measure conformism and opportunism. Even if a social credit system could offer semi-reliable results, they would be significantly distorted by social climbers and oversocialised people who will obtain unfair advantages in the long run and may compromise the integrity of the ruling ideology if they can rely on their social credit score to get ahead.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I think we're talking about different things, mine would just pretty much be social programs tied to an app that is gathering information and using algorithms and whatever to increase its effectiveness.

It wouldn't be based on ideology or attempting to analyse people's morality, rather it would incentivise participation in associations and healthy personal choices.

It doesn't need to be some big brother thing, it can simply be an updated (dis)incentivisation scheme that encourages people to live better lives. When it's combined with an urban planning revolution, an education revolution, a cultural revival etc it'll be useful to have these incentives to push people back into having a social life rather than a socially atomised one.

As for things like measuring people paying their bills on time and that kind of thing I don't think implementing that sort of thing is necessary and I'm not advocating that. Although I think that has some potential merits unlike literally 1984 style ideological shit testing social credit systems.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So you mean a system that can encourage participation in different organisations, say, for example, something like the old scout movement? Or martial arts and fitness clubs? Something like that?

What incentives would be linked to raising social score?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, any kind of local group. Religious, sports, hobby, leisure, community, labour, political etc. Also attending specific cultural events like heritage festivals would be rewarded.

For individuals I wouldn't have a scoring system. I'd rather just have a rolling monthly tally of stuff they've done, let's say someone attended 10 hours total of various groups. This would give them some discounts to local businesses, 10 entries into the monthly raffle for their district etc. I think incorporating disincentives on the individual level with this wouldn't work though. So maybe that could just be dealt with through regular taxing type stuff like it already is.

In order to have like a scoring system I think the best method would be to do it through the local councils/districts rather than individuals. The rate of obesity would bring the area's score down, attendance rate of associations per capita (Social Capital) would increase it. It would just be used so the government can determine where they need to do more stuff to help get the people in to a better situation.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That sounds very sensible. Referring to this as a social credit system might lead to misunderstandings, though. I thought you were referring to something like credit score but tied to pro-social behaviour rather than financial situation.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, Social Credit System is an MK Ultra trigger word lol. I'm not sure what else to call something like that though.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's some form of community engagement, but I don't think there's a clear name to refer to it with. Social credit probably comes closest, but it's not the best term, in my opinion.