Jewish woman writes doctoral thesis on why US justice system is racist against blacks, and then is stabbed to death by blacks

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[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

Moreover, there are also white murderers

Yes, there are, 10% as many per capita as Blacks. But the Jews in the MSM, academia and govt. spend all their time telling the public that WE, White Nationalists, are the real violent danger to America and indeed the entire West. It's total bullshit and they are blatant liars. As are you.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

Socks is pretty dedicated to being evil.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Don't play into socks game. She runs down the pyramid and when you follower her there she will cry for help. The internet troll cries out in pain as it reports you for violations.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I am not an internet troll.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your reputation precedes you.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Feel free to read my previous comments. Literally not troll comments....

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

2nd attack

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

It's not an attack if you trolled someone into making it. Please read rule two carefully. Do not engage in anti debate tactics. Do not tone police.

I'm not warning or banning either of you at the moment but you need to familiarize yourself with the rules on our sub.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

His two attacks were in response to the following post and one or to one of my other comments. What I have done here is to follow the rules, to debate the right, and you are here telling me that I broke rule 2, wrote an anti-debate, and tone policed. I do not see any of this in my debate. Further below you call me a she, which is an attack, and you note that I run down the pyramid, which I have not done. And then you note that, "The internet troll cries out in pain as it reports you for violations. " Already you are in violation of several low pyramid problems. What do I do in this case? Report you to yourself? This is obviously heavily biased and unfair mod work.

Here is my original comment.

Why would I want anyone to hate white people?

It's also not funny for anyone to be killed. (Here it seems that you like hatred against this white person.)

Thanks for the debate, however. It seems that you see her actions as if they were intended to reduce the incarceration of blacks. That's not in her thesis, which is just a study of commonly known problem. Her thesis did not advocate for anything. It was 'academic'. Economically disadvantaged people, a number of whom are black, are very angry right now, due to the lack of work and income during the COVID lockdown. That might be the reason for the attacker to stab people. This doesn't excuse his actions. I am also in favor of the death penalty for cases for which there is absolutely no reaonable doubt.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

you are here telling me that I broke rule 2

I did not say you broke the rule. I said you didn't seem to be familiar with it.

Further below you call me a she, which is an attack

I called you she because one of the admin refereed to you as a female in a thread I was reading a few weeks ago (maybe I'm mixing things up though and the admin was refering to someone else). So it was not intended as an attack.

And then you note that, "The internet troll cries out in pain as it reports you for violations. " Already you are in violation of several low pyramid problems.

Ok. Now you do have an official warning for tone policing and essentially looking for violations. Many of us here know your background so you have a short leash young lady. (that was an attack by the way).

What do I do in this case? Report you to yourself?

You certainly can. Or report me to the other mods in this sub or report me to saidit admin. All those options are available to you.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

It's not an attack if you trolled someone into making it.

This would justify so many bottom pyramid responses. Am I to interpret this to mean that my debate (included again in my note above) is a form of trolling in a "debate the right" sub? Do you genuinely see that my comment is trolling for other people to attack me with bottom pyramid comments?

This has nothing to do with tone, nor does my reference to your attacks against me. It's a question about what one can expect if one wants to post a debate in the sub, "debate the right".

I ask because I am new to the sub, now that it's back on r/all. You might remember why M7 removed it from r/all. A new visitor would wonder: is this an echo chamber for alt right racists, who - for example - want to discuss how happy they are that a Jewish lady was murdered?

Is debate with the alt right welcome here?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

This would justify so many bottom pyramid responses.

Let me help you understand our sub a bit better.

We are an alt right sub. We are open to debaters but we are still an alt right sub. Which means many groups don't like us and want to see us pulled down or bogged down or caught up in confusion and controversy (or kicked out on a technicality). This professional trolling really picked up after we were covered in the Wall Street Journal in 2018.

This targeting means we get lots of trolls, shills, disinformation agents, demoralization agents, bandwagon attacks, etc. etc. Because of all these attacks we develop certain rules and we don't have much patience for people that don't follow them or tell us how to interpret them.

I will ask you again to read our rules. Please ask if you need clarification. If you think our rules or how we apply our rules violates site rules then appeal to admin to have us removed from s/all or removed from the site. This isn't very complicated. Your warning still stands though. If you continue to violate rules you will receive a 7 day ban.

Incessant complaining that the rules aren't fair or using pilpul is also a rule 2 violation.

Are we clear socks?

*edit: fixed a word.

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    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    rule two fundamentally opposes the pyramid of debate

    An anti debate tactic or tone policing would be low on the pyramid so it absolutely aligns with the spirit of the pyramid. Rule two is simply going into more detail on certain low pyramid items we see frequently on our sub.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Are we clear socks?

    Interesting point about the WSJ. Perhaps M7 moved the sub because it violates one of the host's rules (not that anyone's worried about this now).

    For what it's worth, I had not read the rules, and hadn't considered them. Rule 2 is indeed interesting and casts a wide net for anyone who may not agree with alt right opinions. I am not sure I undertand some of it, nor do I understand the full implications of rules 3, and 4, though I do appreciate your point that these rules are to help deal with a range of bad actors. One of my curiosities at this sub is: do people here really want to debate? Another curiosity is: is there anything redeemable about an alt right person? There were 3 or 4 interesting and informative responses to my initial debate in the present thread (98 comments by now is impressive at Saidit), which, for me was worth the engagement for much of my Sunday, as I learned something. Those 3 or 4 people genuinely offered debates. I think you were one of them.

    In any event: yes: the rules seem to be understandable. (I don't know what a 7 ban ban is, but perhaps it's not significant at the moment.)

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Perhaps M7 moved the sub because it violates one of the host's rules (not that anyone's worried about this now).

    He didn't really move the sub. We started on reddit and were expelled from reddit after the 2018 banout. We were one of the last subs to be banned. 6 month before the ban I created a backup on saidit. The day we were banned from reddit activity picked up. Within a few weeks of that happening one of our mods banned a person who said they were going to complain to M7. Within a couple of hours without any prompting that mod realized they'd made a mistake and unbanned the person. M7 then kicked us off s/all because he said we didn't allow dissenting opinions.

    The reality was really that Magnora7 didn't want us to dominate s/all and was looking for a reason to keep us off. It's his site so we didn't really put up much of a fuss.

    One of my curiosities at this sub is: do people here really want to debate?

    Most good faith debaters come here and ask questions then leave after a few days of debate. The only people that hang around are people that already have dissident views, people starting to agree with some dissident views or people tasked with monitoring us. And that makes sense. If you're a person that doesn't agree with our views and you've finished asking questions and debating why would you hang around for weeks or months?

    If you're getting the impression that this is an echo chamber it's really not our fault. When admin chooses to block us from the feed we don't get as many people that drop in to engage us. We had a lot more active debates on reddit pre quarantine. For the record though I think I can speak for almost everyone here in saying that yes we do want to engage with people that disagree we just want GENUINE people.

    Another curiosity is: is there anything redeemable about an alt right person?

    This would be a good debate question. If I were you I'd create a new thread and explain a bit more what you mean by this. If someone acts rude to you during the debate let me know.

    There were 3 or 4 interesting and informative responses to my initial debate in the present thread (98 comments by now is impressive at Saidit)

    I think you will find that even though you may disagree with almost all our views there are good people on this sub. Many of use are former liberals. My college thesis was on the civil rights movement. My best friend growing up and till this day is Ashkenazim on his mother's side. I've spend most of my life working with non whites in inner cities; (I've slowly shifted away from this over the last 3 years though). I have no hate in my heart toward any ethnic group as a whole. Even Jews have some redeeming qualities. I didn't come into the alt right because of a bad experience with a black or Hispanic person in my youth. Quite the contrary I've had lots of quality interactions with non whites.

    which, for me was worth the engagement for much of my Sunday, as I learned something.

    Thanks for sharing that. I'm glad you got something positive our of an interaction here.

    I think you were one of them.

    Thanks. That's nice of you to say.

    (I don't know what a 7 ban ban is, but perhaps it's not significant at the moment.)

    It was a typo. Should have said 7 day ban. Normally if someone is new to our sub and attempting to engage us (but still breaking rules) we don't do permanent bans. We start with a warning, 7 day ban, 30 day and then permanent if warranted. At this time you do not have any bans just a friendly warning and thank you for letting me know you understand the rules.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    No.

    Check the statistics:

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Do you understand what per capita means? Do you understand what "clearance rate" means?

    Give it a fucking rest, the data is in, idiot. Blacks murder at orders of magnitude higher fates than Whites, everywhere they are. How can you even dispute this?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    So you have absolutely no confidence in yourself and the data? Hence the attacks? Grow up.

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Do you understand what per capita means?

    Do you understand what "clearance rate" means?

    Blacks, per capita murder at roughly 10 times the rate of Whites, based on that fucking table.

    White / Black murders * "White" / Black population percent 4778/3953.0 * 80/15.0 = 6.4, but the clearance rate for Black murders is 22%, that is nearly 80% of Black murders go unsolved so aren't included in that number, but nearly all Blacks are killed by other Blacks. Combined with the fact that "White" in their table is not really Europeans, i.e. Whites, but every thing that isn't Black, Asian, or Native American, so the "White" number is highly inflated. So Blacks murder at least 10 times as many people, per capita, as Europeans. This is true everywhere on the planet, it's almost like genetics affect behavior.

    Deal with it.