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[–]Richard_Parker 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I will admit that I only read part of this thread outright, skimming other parts. Concerning whether homosexuality is genetic or created from environmental and cultural factors, it is not a simple, binary either or proposition.

There is some evidence that the older a woman gets, or more boys she has, the more likelihood the youngest son is gay because of problems with the "testosterone" bath that a male fetus is immersed in during incubation. This also happens a great deal with identical twins.

On the other hand, the evidence that homosexuality tendencies--particularly in women--are greatly influenced by sociological and cultural factors is pretty clear, and pretty clear with but a cursory look at the culture and current social mores. Since the 90s, with normalization of porn in society, including girl-girl, threesomes, things like Girls Gone Wild, the prevalence of bisexualty in women from Generation Down has increased persisently. The social pressures which normalize this, make it a key feature in desirable, hypergamous women to allure the most socially dominant males are evident for all to see. None of this things can seriously be argued by anyone. I do not need studies to prove any of the statements above, as these things are as prevalent and as obvious as the fact that people are usually having sex before marriage.

We also have hard data. Something like 16 percent of Zoomers--ZOOM, ZOOM, ZOOM--identify as gay. This is because homosexuality is encouraged and celebrated in this sick culture. This is on the heels of the remarkable way in which LGB+ have been more ostentacious and obnoxious, replete with drag queen story hour, childrens books and childrens programs etc. Correlation does not always mean causation but there can be no other rational explanation in this instance.

While men seem more hard-wired to be either homosexual or heterosexual (most gay men I have known have identifed as such since an earlier age), and while it is true straight men have a hard-coded, visceral reaction to seeing men make out or being exposed to images of gay sex, I am not even sure is immune from social conditioning at an early age.

I will disclose that my earliest memories of sexual desire include seeing Deborah Harry in Blondie videos when I was six or seven in first grade. I also though Lady Di was really beautiful wanted to kiss her (this was in early 80s). I really believe that seeing images of Deborah Harry, probably not entirely appropriate for a small boy, set the course for the hardwiring I now have. I cannot say with any real assurance that a similar boy would be similarly effected by seeing some gay at a gay pride. Given how widespread pederasty and bisexuality in men was in certain Ancient civilizations, I believe men too are subject to social and cultural conditioning.

For that reason, I want young boys exposed to things like Deborah Harry--still suggestive but decent enough. Keep the fag shit under wraps, in the closet.

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the evidence that homosexuality tendencies--particularly in women--are greatly influenced by sociological and cultural factors is pretty clear

What the science suggests is that all women get turned on by other women, at least a little bit.

Something like 16 percent of Zoomers--ZOOM, ZOOM, ZOOM--identify as gay.

This includes a lot of other things, particularly identities which have been invented very recently and really don't have any actual meaning.

This is because homosexuality is encouraged and celebrated in this sick culture.

The effect of favoritism in admittance and hiring cannot be understated. It's like what they're going for is to make it so that the only way a white guy is going to get a job is by putting on a dress and lipstick.

I want young boys exposed to things like Deborah Harry

Right, pop divas... where could you go wrong?

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"What the science suggests is that all women get turned on by other women, at least a little bit."

Not sure I would describe it that way. Female sexuality sure seems fluid. You have women like Kate Pearson who were into men mostly for decades then gomlesbian. I heard Dr Drew (I know) say while having Ray Oldhafer on that menopausal women going lesbian seems to be repeatable men as they get tired of men. I do know men do not work that. Should circumstance turn me into the most raving, homicidal misogynist, I will still be repulsed by the idea of being with men sexually.

"This includes a lot of other things, particularly identities which have been invented very recently and really don't have any actual meaning."

Not sure, and it does not really matter. proves that social and cultural factors do weigh heavily.

"Right, pop divas... where could you go wrong?"

Yeah, I get it, that stuff is certainly decadent, but in that particular manifestation not all that bad, particularly compared with contemporary figures like Katy Perry, Ariane Brand etc, whose lyrics and imagery are downright scandalous (whereas Deborah Harry was just sexy but still had some class about her, even as she failed to become a mother sadly). Six year old boys should probably not be exposed to it, or maybe they should in a modified way.

To be sure, I was being a bit flippant about Deborah Harry, but when compared with what is going on today with gays getting to our kids and really regardless I think it is healthy for boys to understand what desirable women are (within certain boundaries) and this is something you should be drawn to. I imagine same thing for girls when they see a cowboy in an advertisement or a firefighter or other male figure.

[–]Fonched[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reminds me of what they are arguing about LGBT characters in cartoons for instance. They claim that such characters are solely there to provide representation to their viewers (instead of "OMG! Kids catching the gay from their TVs!"), further backed by the fact that many LGBT people today were raised seeing straight relationships/cis characters in the media and still turned out to be that way.

[–]Fonched[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly, the whole affirmative action, straight being the default of society, I'll argue that this being more popular is a real circumstance, not 100% the case though.