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[–]TheWorldToCome 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Populations don't need to grow bigger and bigger all the time. I am so sick of hearing people talk about the birth rate. Natural populations contracting isn't inherently a bad thing

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Capitalism requires infinite growth, or the whole system collapses.

You can start by looking at the pension system. Try and tell Boomers they deserve less money when they retire, because the tax base to support them has now shrunk.

[–]TheWorldToCome 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Capitalism requires infinite growth

Yes this is another common trope, how is it so that it requires infinite growth?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Imagine where Capitalism would be if say... everyone started with a $1 but you can only make $2 profit max? No, there was always someone who wanted to make $10 profit. Followed by $1000. And then a million, and a billion and now a trillion.

Now, you could stop this process, but that's exactly how you end up with Socialism.

Fine, everyone now makes $100. But everything is also worth $100 max. And because there's no longer an incentive to increase profits, society as a whole stagnates or worse. Mass starvation.

The USSR vs USA was already a textbook example of why this can't work. The Soviets tried to catch up with America by putting out higher and higher production quotas while also having to fulfill their own consumer needs, but it just crashed in the end.