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[–]somewherenear 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Our views are nearly identical, except in regards to abortion. I think abortion should be used as part and parcel of a eugenic policy. Genetically inferior fetuses, such as those with disorders--physically and/or mentally--or ones that have low projected IQ, should be extinguished, despite the morbidity of it. People already born with disorders should be cared for.

I understand your desire to punish for unwarranted abortion, but why should permanent sterilization be a consequence? Genuinely curious to hear your reasoning.

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I should have elaborated, by the "medical, ethical and utilitarian" examples I generally mean in those specific cases of either eugenics or dealing with tragedies such as a conflicted raped mother (she may be so scarred by the events that the child could thus face repercussions later in life), where doctors believe it is necessary to save the mother's life in a certain context or a child of incest. I'm not well read on eugenics, so I have not fully developed a personal idea of what should be its extent (ie: would it just be dealing with disabilities or something more?). I'd be interested to hear what your thoughts on eugenics are? I assume you would want to use it as part of a genetic engineering policy? Also, in that case would sterilisation not be a more ethical method though?

Therefore, my opposition to abortion is largely down to the cases of pregnancies caused through our current hypersexual culture especially in the context of children of wedlock. I agree additionally that any disabled person currently living should be supported by society and they should have the right to live a life as comfortable as they can.

I understand your desire to punish for unwarranted abortion, but why should permanent sterilization be a consequence? Genuinely curious to hear your reasoning.

I largely use it as a rhetorical device when the case of abortion comes up with liberals and leftists. As I've stated, I oppose abortion mainly for its promotion of consequence-free promiscuity so what better way to mitigate that then by giving it one of the most harshest related consequences of all? It would be at least an extra risk for people to think of before they engage in any sexual activity or get an abortion, although I'm also aware that some people would be stupid enough to not think of consequences anyway.

I've also seen a eugenic argument come up from the right/Third Positionist sphere that abortion helps prevent the most degenerate people from breeding, but it only terminates the specific pregnancy so if that is the case why not just sterilise them after they have outed themselves.

I do not support it as an end goal however, maybe as a very short-lived transitionary phase to a simple abortion ban instead (with the exceptions I've mentioned).