[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people?

submitted by Oingo from (self.debatealtright)

Would love to hear your input on this. I went to a local 'dissident' meetup, and unlike any of the other conservative groups i've been in, a large number were astonishingly young. In America, Nick Fuentes seemed to have riled up quite a large number of zoomers, and from what I hear in Europe, dissident movements have garnered a number of hot headed young people.

Why on earth would gen Zs be attracted to right wing movements? When I was their age, I was playing video games and partying. Is there something fundamentally different about the dissident right and other conservative movements?
Is this a bad or good thing? It just don't think I want the movement to cater to the kids like the left does, but feel free to debate me on this.

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[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Because the system is so terrible that young people who have to grow up in it are most aware of how disgusting, traumatizing, and awful it is.

When you're an established boomer who has a stable income and can narrowly focus on your career, groups of friends, or hobbies on the internet you can insualte yourself from terrible globohomo culture and state indoctrination at public schools. Zoomers and millennials can't do this, so they have the suffer the brunt of globohomo propaganda, instituionalized racial discrimination against whites, and the gutter of popular culture. Boomers also didn't have the internet (or aren't as savvy) and didn't have to grow up with social media. Zoomers and millennials are more connected to this and the educated ones are more politically aware of what is actually going on. They also have more interaction with nonwhites than boomers do, so the whole "hurr durr race is just skin color" boomerism doesn't fly with many more them

[–]Oingo[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As a gen X, there's definitely truth with regards to the idea that wealthy boomers are shielded from the effects of modernity. We shouldn't have allowed things to get this bad.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Because the system is so terrible that young people who have to grow up in it are most aware of how disgusting, traumatizing, and awful it is.

Zoomers are usually liberal on a larger scale though. Their generation votes most heavily that diversity is good for society.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/01/PSDT_1.17.19_generations-00.png?resize=773,405

Maybe Gen Z is also the most polarized generation which could explain OP's observation.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gen Z is also less white. We're talking about white dissidents specifically

[–]LetssavethefirsworldReturn to Jesus 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Gen Z is also the most diverse generation ever, so naturally all those new diverse people will approve.

Cohencidentilly, if you just poll gen z whites they disapprove of diversity more than their predecessors. That's what I read from data I saw a few years ago so it could be outdated after the BLM shit

[–]TheSalemander 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

if anything it'd be better. White Zoomers are easily the most based generation yet and this trend will only continue.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

These are American numbers. This is not the case in Europe.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How is the situation in europe, are zoomers more liberal than previous generations or more conservative?

[–]sylla94 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I thought it would be the other way around. i.e they'd know nothing else and thus wouldn't find it so jarring, whereas older people might notice the change.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't even think it is this to be honest, I think it's just that we're in the meme generation and literally all the memes come from our guys.

I think the majority of our guys came over because they were seeking fresh memes so they went to 4chan or they randomly came across MDE, Moon Man and other shit like this. We basically have a monopoly on all comedic content that's actually funny on the whole internet.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We basically have a monopoly on all comedic content that's actually funny on the whole internet.

The half-Jew half-black comedian Eric Andre is extremely popular among Gen Z and millennials. So not quite the whole internet.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be fair I did specify this

that's actually funny

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Who the fuck is Eric Andre?

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Probably more of an American thing. He just happens to be really popular among younger generations.

[–]Truefear 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Older 'Zoomer' here, this is probably an unpopular view but I wouldn't say the type of politics thats gaining steam in my generation is necessarily a 'conservative' one. Yes, we're enamored by the 70s-80s aesthetic, but we don't want to go back to the past.

White gen z's were completely fucked over by our elders. They were ultimately too weak to secure a future for us, and now we're facing historical mental health issues, anti white hatred, and discrimination in college and work. As far as i'm concerned, I don't want to wind back the clock, I want a fundamental reset.

Right now, with the housing prices, price of college, and demographic trends, there's no hope for our future. I don't really care about most cultural aspects of the right. I listen to modern music and enjoy traveling and encountering other cultures. All I care about is having a nation friendly to white people.

I know most boomers and older millennials laugh at the mental health issues held by young white kids, but there's a genuine psychological impact in constantly being told that you and your people are evil.

[–]Oingo[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How do you feel about declining christian values in the west, and the cultural degeneracy of the youth today?

[–]Truefear 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm a christian, but I admit i'm not too devout. If christianity is what saves us, cool. If what saves my people is an alternate ideology, then i'll probably adopt that.

As for cultural degeneracy, gen Zs drink less and have less sex than older generations. We're also less prone to divorce.
If you mean our fashion, aestheticism, and taste in music, I think that's simply due to the tendency for kids to rebel against the established culture.

[–]Bagarmoossen 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Zoomers are growing up with social media, horrible diets a nihilistic cultural atmosphere and zero economic prospects. The lockdowns have only made it worse. This leads them to a doom and gloom mentality. I see this in many people I know.

Now, this doesn't necessarily lead them to the dissident right but it leads them away from mainstream conservatism. Either to the far left non-binary black hole or to the dissident right, which also has a nihilistic part to it in the sense of wanting to destroy the current system and take revenge on the elites. Zoomers don't feel any attachment to this current model of society and have a higher tolerance for radicalism, their lives simply suck and this is evident from the proliferation of severe mental illness.

[–]LetssavethefirsworldReturn to Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

4 chan

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

agree

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't exactly know why, but going to shcool with Black thugs who, along with and at the behest of Jews in the government and media, entice your peers into ruining their lives all the while pushing the narrative that you and your people are evil when history shows they've actually more or less been Atlas, lifting the shitskins out of the mud only to get kicked down into it as thanks, and helping push the "Justice" system to come down hard on your people while violent rapists get off scot free for being dark and pretending like it's the opposite.

Or maybe it's due to the fact that if you're incredibly bright and work hard you STILL have to push and aren't considered good enough, but blacks and gays who coast by on identity alone get into college free and get all the praise in the world while you're stuck with mediocre status and fucktons of debt. I imagine it's even worse for Europeans, too.

As a Zoomer, all of these things have pushed me into this school of thought. Even the peachy, sanitized news media shows the obvious racial disparities that exist between people of different ethnicities, their culture (or lack thereof), and their inherent genetic traits. Religion has also helped, because if you read the Bible and study history, then there's really no way to look at the things Jews do, back then and now, and not realize that not only are the Bible's predictions about their "Synagogue of Satan" 100% correct, but also that the Jews truly are inherently evil as a group.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Christianity is Jewish.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is such a meme idea I really don't feel like copy pasting the extensive proof against this.

Jews hate Christians, and real Christians hate Jews.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is indeed Jewish but jews still hate christianity.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This isn't a conservative movement. I think you answer your own question. I've experienced the same thing BTW when it comes to young people in the movement and one of the very things we all agree on is how much we hate 'conservatism' and how refreshing it is to have a genuinely right wing movement free of the conservative cancer. Conservatism is backward looking and reactive which is why it's always Liberalisms shadow. The DR, at its best, is a creative movement with plans for a different future not pathetic longing for an imagined past.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What makes you think we're a conservative movement?