The key historical milestones of Western decline. Which do you think is the most important?

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[–]PeddaKondappa 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In modern history, the defeat of Nazi Germany was obviously the most important. With Nazi Germany died the last serious movement in the West to challenge Enlightenment principles. After 1945 the modern world was ushered in, which is based on the founding myth of the of the HolocaustTM with Adolf Hitler as the archetypal Big Bad Man. All modern people are required to believe in this founding myth as an article of faith, and anyone who questions this founding myth or expresses any sort of sympathy towards the Nazis is immediately branded as a heretic and excommunicated from society. The Cold War was relatively unimportant compared to WWI and WWII, because Communism and Liberalism are actually quite similar to each other and are both anti-traditional, post-Enlightenment ideologies. What made the Soviet Union dangerous was the fact that it was Russian and non-Western, not the fact that it was Communist. Russia today, which is non-Communist, is still viewed with hostility by liberals (even more so than the old Soviet Union was).

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Largely correct, its just that winning world war 2 was really difficult for Germany. I wish to make a post on what Germany should've done in hindsight, but to be short, Hitler should've declared total mobilization in 1940. The German army should've went South in 1941 instead of Moscow. They should never have invested Stalingrad and instead should've bypassed it, they should not have split army group in South in two during Case Blue in 1942, thus weakening the offensive towards both the Caucasus and Stalingrad.

[–]PeddaKondappa 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, the biggest problem that Germany faced was a lack of oil. Securing the resources in the Caucasus could've enabled Germany to win in the long-term.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even destroying it would've been enough. It would've crippled Stalin's ability to continue the war, he himself admitted as much. Hitler could've gotten a favorable peace treaty with Russia in that scenario