An argument for making a tactical retreat from the US, to Europe.

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There is no hope for a solution to the problems that we as Europeans face in the United States. Those of our political persuasion are a small minority. The mind of the average European-American has been poisoned beyond hope of recovery. It is certain that our people will suffer increasing persecution the coming decades and if there is a light at the end of the tunnel, it is only that the US will likely collapse eventually, but it won't be through any act of ours, because we have neither the political power nor the will to make any great change.

Rather than be freedom fighters in a land that is not really our own, for a cause that is definitely lost at least for now, we should seek personal happiness among our own kind in Europe, our ancestral homeland, where thousands of generations of ancestors have lived, died and are buried even now. The blood of our People makes up the soil of Europe, if there is a land worth fighting for it is the mother-continent.

A time for a reconquista might come but it will have to be far into the future when the political entity known as the US no longer exists. Until then the US holds only suffering and death for our kind.

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[–]Nasser 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

This strategy makes sense for South Africa,maybe Canada or Singapore but there are 200 millions White Americans, the fight there is not over and neither can we afford to lose it given the US status as world superpower. We just need to change our tactics and move to absolute secrecy and sowing division in the enemy.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The vast majority of Americans are not going to even consider leaving the US.

For a century the Juden have been using every institution to turn whites into deracinated economic units and have largely succeeded. In this post I'm suggesting that whites who know the score should leave before its too late, because we have no power, and only suffering without purpose is in our future here. Returning to Europe could be permanent or it could simply be to regroup, but the reality is that there is a lot more that we can do for our people as Europeans in Europe than as hated, persecuted minorites in the US.

[–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

70 million Americans voted for Trump the supposed Fascist dictator.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I feel like many of those Americans who voted for Trump would still simp for blacks if it meant they would vote republican. They are not white nationalists. I could be wrong, but it seems pretty unlikely.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/6r3h/no_surprise_here_after_4_years_of_kissing_black/

[–]Nasser 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The thing we need to do is spread awareness both online and offline to as many White Americans as possible. Areas that voted red in the election are our target points.Most Whites do not want to become a minority nor do they want the Democrats radical left wing policies. An example of this is California voting against Affirmative Active.Most Whites who vote for the Democrats do so because of the Republicans having dogshit economic and foreign policies. I also think we should recognize Cubans and Castizo's as White and as allies. They proved that this year in Florida. Another we should do is exploit the rising Communist 'faction' within the Democrats. There are some who actually consider Joe Biden to be centre right because of his economic policies. Of course Antifa and people like AOC are anti white vermin commies but there are Communists who are against immigration both in Europe and the US for example a believe Swiss Communists are opposed to immigration. What I'm saying is we should eye the communists who talk the most about the working class while rarely bringing in race, I'd even suggest we should set up a puppet Communist style party to soak up support.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And in truth he's not even a civnat. If he were an actual fascist dictator far fewer people would have voted for him, unfortunately.

[–]Lugger 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I'm only going to comment on this one, something I've heard a million times yet always found extremely annoying:

a land that is not really our own

If America isn't 'really' a land of the Europeans, then who does it belong to?

Whites who would later become Americans conquered this land and largely cleansed it of the indigenous population.

It belongs to White Americans as much as Anatolia belongs to the Turks or Siberia belong to the Russians.

They shed blood for this land and built it into what it is.

Sadly, however, Americans proved to be too kind to round up all the remaining Amerindians and deport them elsewhere — Mexico, for example, which would have most likely welcomed them with open arms because the Catholic church had viewed the Amerindians as equals and permitted interracial marriage with them ever since the 16th century.

I am used to hearing leftists — and even regular conservatives — say that America doesn't belong to the Europeans, but it surprises me that someone with supposedly Alt-Right views uses the very same argument.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

If Europe is largely cleansed of Europeans, and is filled with Africans and Central Asians, is the land no longer ours? Is it African and Central Asian land?

No, we are bound to that land by blood and by fate and will fight for it until the very end. It is ours.

The US was colonized by, planned by, and built by Europeans, but the land that its on is not ours in a more spiritual sense. I empathize strongly with the plight of the native populations that have been displaced and persecuted much like we will be in the coming years. They are the ones who evolved their unique phenotypical traits in accordance with the geography here, not us, and there is no other place that they can lay claim to.

[–]Lugger 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If Europe is largely cleansed of Europeans, and is filled with Africans and Central Asians, is the land no longer ours? Is it African and Central Asian land?

If these Africans and Central Asians eradicated the European population and completely crushed the European civilization, repopulating this land with their own people instead, then yes, in this scenario it would be right to call them the masters of Europe.

but the land that its on is not ours in a more spiritual sense

Do you think Turks believe that their land doesn't belong to them? If not, what's the problem with the U.S., except for dozens of years of propaganda about 'muh stolen land' and 'muh poor native americans'?

I empathize strongly with the plight of the native populations as have been displaced and persecuted much like we will be in the coming years.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Gaining land via right of conquest was a standart practise of all human civilizations, and it only started to be viewed as 'uncivilized' after WW2. Amerindians were crushed by a superior civilization and were powerless to prevent it, while what we currently observe in all Western countries — not only the U.S. — is Europeans, guided by the treacherous elites, voluntarily surrendering to the hordes of non-whites and inviting even more of them to leech off their societies.

[–]Divineflechup 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Whatever you are, you aren't an ethnonationlist.

[–]NeoRail 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What exactly did he say that is incompatible with ethnonationalism?

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    [–]Lugger 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Africans are completely irrelevant to this question.

    I've never seen anyone claim them to be somehow 'native' to America or that it is 'their land'.

    I can, however, say a few words about your argument:

    Blacks were brought to the New World as tools and should've been sent back, also as tools.

    Ideally, they should not even have been brought there in the first place because:

    1)Slavery wasn't profitable, as far as I remember, the slaves made 91 cents for one dollar (correct me if I'm wrong)

    1.2) Whatever contributions they made were nullified by the Civil War, which was fought over their freedom and cost whites hundreds of thousands of lives, not to mention the economic damage.

    2)It only truly benefitted the rich plantators themselves.

    3)It prevented the South from being as industrialized as the North was.

    4)Slavery is immoral (yeah, given what I've already said, it might be strange to hear that)

    And so on, and so on...

    Anyway, in my book, tools can't lay any claim to the land they were brought to work on.

    You may argue that right now blacks play a pretty large role in the American society, but the fact that they were brought there as slaves means nothing in terms of the land ownership.

    [–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    If Europe is largely cleansed of Europeans, and is filled with Africans and Central Asians, is the land no longer ours?

    Yes, it would no longer be ours.

    Nobody has a "right" to any land. "Rights" don't exist. Each race should try to take as much land as it wants.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You could make a case for niggers raping white children with that logic. So fuck your stupid logic.

    Every race deserves a homogenous homeland. You can try to appeal to nature or whatever, but we're not nature, we're humans. You'll quickly think yourself into extinction if you make strength alone a moral justification to do whatever you please.

    [–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You could make a case for niggers raping white children with that logic.

    Saying that there is no objective morality doesn't mean one can't have their own morality. My morality consists entirely of one directive: Do what is in your own interests. It's against my interests to have niggers raping white children, and so I would try to prevent that from happening.

    Every race deserves a homogenous homeland.

    Nobody deserves anything.

    but we're not nature, we're humans.

    Humans are animals just like any other.

    [–]grocerymannn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I've already moved. marrying my french girlfriend and will get Italian citizenship by descent next year.

    [–]KangShaka 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I think the biggest problem with a 'White flight' out of America is its nuclear arsenal.

    I'm obviously not a fan of a nation of increasingly Morlock-like imbeciles inheriting America's nuclear arsenal, with which they'll probably end up nuking Europe or doing something similarly stupid.

    [–]Divineflechup 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Where in Europe can we go?

    [–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    This is just a fantasy and has nothing to do with real politics.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    If this is a fantasy, than deporting blacks or literally any of the goals of the dissident right are also fantasies. But you're wrong though, if there's anything we still have the power to do, it's leave.

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I am not even sure what it is that you are proposing exactly, it comes across precisely as a rambling fantasy. Who would be going to Europe and in what numbers? Why? What purpose would that serve? Would that make any difference at all? Would it be any better? Don't even get me started on all the other problems that would come with mass American immigration into Europe. Where would these Americans even go? Great Britain?

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm making an argument for us as individuals to choose to leave the US and return to Europe, not for mass migration. What purpose? The preservation of our own lives and happiness, and that of our children and theirs. Would it make a difference? Not to the fate of the US, which is set in stone, no -- but as individuals yes, you and your children and their children won't have to grow up in a nation where violence upon them is normalized and decriminalized ala South Africa or where they're indoctrinated into hating themselves and their People by the most sophisticated propaganda regime in history. I'm saying it's better to leave and watch the US crumble from a safe distance.

    As for where you'd go. All of us are genetically European. It's simply a matter of finding out where your ancestors lived and returning there, learning the language and culture and assimilating as best as possible. Otherwise, moving to a minority-white English speaking city like London would be objectively beneficial if only to reverse the demographic issue. London isn't a culturally British city any longer, so no harm done in that regard.

    [–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Europe is not some kind of utopia, every problem present in the US is also present in Europe. You are not escaping anything by coming to Europe.

    I also think you greatly underestimate the difficulty of adopting another culture and identity as your own, if such a thing is even desirable for the individual.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Most European countries do not have right or return for their own people and even if they did we shouldn't retreat from land we've held for 300 plus years.

    [–]Bagarmoossen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    1- there is no physical space in Europe for millions of white Americans. 2- Europeans would never allow such mass migration, nor should they. 3- White Americans have conquered this continent and should fight for what os rightfully theirs. Fleeing is for pussies.

    [–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    1. Yet there is plenty of physical space in Europe for millions of non-whites (a lot of whom hostile and criminal), apparently.

    2. In Eastern Europe, this would probably never be accepted, for obvious reasons. In Western Europe, the strongest opposition would probably come from the anti-white leftists, since this mass-influx of conservative and "racist" white Americans will nullify most of the "diversity" they've caused and make them lose a lot of political power. Don't believe me? Over here in the Netherlands, oppostion to taking in white South Africans is literally exclusive to (anti-white) leftists and shitlibs (very ironic considering their otherwise great love for immigration).

    3. Ideally, no land colonized and settled by Europeans should be given up, but at what cost? America is already only 60% white (and rapidly declining). Should we also force the white South Africans (ethnically Dutch and English) to stay in South Africa and fight to the bitter end, even though they're vastly outnumbered, outgunned and have the entire system against them? We're pro-white (or at least me and most people on this sub are), so why shouldn't whites living outside of Europe have the right of return to their nations of origin?

    PS: Don't get me wrong, I don't support just anyone who's white returning to Europe regardless of moral character and ideology; white Americans who are anti-white, for example, should definitely be excluded and forced to sleep in the bed they built.

    [–]Leo_Littlebook 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Distributed defense. Move out and allow the sucker cuckservatives to be brutalized until they are ready to stand with you as blood allies rather than race traitors.