"We're not here to take part, we're here to take over." A note on perspective.

submitted by MarkimusNational Socialist from (self.debatealtright)

I'm not much of a Conor McGregor fan ever since his switch from the conqueror to the braggart. However, this line stuck with me from when I was in awe at his mentality and charisma. This is what many in the alt/dissident right lack, this perspective.

Conor never viewed the UFC as something he wanted to be a part of and be subservient to, he always said his goal was to join the UFC make a bunch of money and get out. At different points he started other companies, sponsorships etc earning him millions and even tried to get ownership stock and joint-promotion ventures with his 'McGregor promotions' and whatever else.

In the dissident right we have many who lack this. They lack the sense that they have their own destiny separate from the GayOP. So many desperately latch on to the GOP and talk about demographics meaning the GOP can never win again and other dumb shit. They view themselves and their race as a means to the end of empowering the GOP.

We need to switch from this desperate underling mentality into the conqueror's mentality. Stop wanting to take part in their system, institutions, elections and whatever else and start thinking of how you can do everything you can to contribute to taking over them with our own vehicle.

A comrade of ours once said "We do not wish to rock the boat, we intend to sink it!" too many of us are scared to even rock the boat (not voting for the GOP, resenting Spencer for voting for Biden etc) let alone sink it. We have to be dissidents, radicals, revolutionaries. Divorce yourselves from the idea that the GOP or the Tories or the equivalent parties in your country are your guys. Let's stop taking part, and start taking over.

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Crossposted to Ruqqus

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    [–]antireddit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

    I wish we could save the republic as much as anyone. I gave a lot of blood sweat and pain for it. Unfortunately recent events have revealed it to be irredeemably corrupt and hostile to the people who made it. Is Trump really the hill you want to die on? He spent his 4 years issuing worthless tweets to his base while hooking up his Israel first donors on the one issue they care about. He ignored big tech censorship for years until it was too late. That social media censored him on election day is all too fitting.

    Trump has served his purpose. He forced this hostile elite to wage an all out media war on half of America, destroying their credibility with half of the country. Their corruption and hostility will be fresh in everyones mind as the US collapses into a cesspool of poverty, crime, and chaos. Id rather Biden and the liberal elite that caused this mess be at the wheel of the car when we finally drive off that cliff, because I doubt anyone would have prevented that crash anyway. Trump is not the leader we need when we make a final stand, and the country as it exists now is too far gone to be worth making that final stand for. How can we realistically reconcile with people who burn cities, beat people half to death for opposing their views, and silence and take the livelyhood of anyone who opposes them, all for a hostile elite that shits all over them? Its probably best to go our separate ways and let them continue on in the clownworld they created.

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      [–]antireddit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

      The premise I see time and time again is that there is an alternative vehicle to Trump that will magically arise from the ashes of the conservative movement.

      Trump didnt create this dissident movement from thin air. He coopted growing anger and frustration. Yes maybe it took someone as reckless and unfiltered as him to unleash it fully, but now that genie is out of the bottle. Once people got a taste of it, itll be hard to corral them back into the conservative INC goy pen with the likes of Mitt Romney or Marco Rubio.

      The totalitarian regimes you speak of all arose from dysfunctional more or less third world shitholes. Russia pre 1917 wasnt exactly a fun place to live. Yeah the bolsheviks made it a hundred times worse, but there was already a long standing willingness to accept brutal despotic leadership. The same with China and the Latin American countries where the commies arose. No regime like that ever arose in the west despite numerous attempts by Jews to get them going. Every time it was tried it resulted in a backlash from hell. Especially in Germany. Yes Jewish wealth and power is now a lot greater, and they now have their own nuclear armed ethnostate to serve as a base of operations, but itll be tough for them to keep a lid on dissent without Chinese levels of dystopian censorship on a nearly worldwide scale. Thats a pretty tall order. Jews have always been high risk high reward, but I think thats biting off more than they can chew.

      Once the US economy begins a serious collapse and crime and chaos rise, itll take a campaign of terror that Jews have never successfully pulled off in the west to keep things from blowing up in their face. I no longer doubt they fully intend to try, but its a big gamble and if I had to place odds I would bet against them succeeding. Id rather make a final stand against them when the system they already control is weakened and further discredited than right now when its still more or less functioning and people are still too fat and happy to seriously risk everything by opposing them.

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        [–]antireddit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        It will vanish within months of regime change, hardly a blip on the subjective experience of everyday people who'll think this was all a passing nightmare. Either Trump wins and the mask slips off even further, or it'll come back with a vengeance.

        Trump didnt win though. He lost. He may have lost due to corruption and fraud, but short of proving that legally through recounts, audits and investigations the zionist controlled GOP wont push for, he's done. His only other means of protesting or dragging this out is through mobilizing tens of millions of supporters to do what exactly? What are you asking people to do right now? Its over. They stole the election through intimidation, non stop media propaganda and censorship that would make chinese state media blush, and absentee ballot fraud, but the best we can do now is use lawfare to expose as much of the ballot fraud as possible. Their media propaganda will convince most of the dumbed down sheeple that Trump is the evil one by not conceding. They had been prepping the public for this argument for weeks beforehand.

        You keep ignoring the main point I made though. The US is heading for a serious collapse in standard of living. Coronavirus was the final straw that broke the camels back. Without tax revenue to feed the beast, the US government will be increasingly unable to enforce ZOG's wishes. Yes they still control the media and corporations and therefore be able to control much of the population, for a time, but look at how badly their propaganda failed on Nov 3rd. They really cant get much more orwellian with their censorship. They already control everything popular and dissidents are relegated to discussing events with a handful of each other on irrelevant obscure corners on the internet like this(which they still probably monitor), and yet you still had 70 million Americans tell them to go fuck themselves 2 days ago, and this despite Trump being an unlikeable buffoon. Imagine what could happen if we had a competent and moral leader we liked?

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          [–]antireddit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          I didnt say he should concede to fraud. He should point out this fraud using specifics, and frame it in the context of the system subverting the wishes of the voters, as opposed to making it all about himself personally. As I said before. EVERY mail in vote in contested states should be audited and accounted for and every vote recounted. There's probably not much more you can do, its likely the fraud will never be conclusively proven unless you get people who participated in it to talk, and without the GOP pushing for accountability that will never happen. No independent media or organizations will do it because they are all controlled by you know who. Even Foxnews is at the mercy of their advertisers and army of lobbyists, and has many subversive and influential members within their ranks, as Chris Wallace demonstrated with his debate theatrics.

          Anglin has the right idea, people need to start linking up and join protests. I'm serious, unless there is a critical mass of people who show up every night this will die down just like rittenhouse and the media will shape the whole thing until a palace coup is staged against Trump.

          Demonstrations wont change the outcome. Do you honestly think they will decide to let Trump stay in office because of demonstrations? They would just sick antifa and BLM on them and have them lose their jobs and wind up blacklisted for being fascists or racists. What would be the end goal of these protests? Because the hostile elite control the media, particularly social media, they will always be able to jin up more counter protestors, and these "protestors" have shown they are more than willing to use violence, and people defending themselves from them will then be prosecuted, as we have seen repeatedly.

          This is what you dont get. "They" control the system. The only hope we now have is for the system itself to collapse enough for people to successfully rise up, and if need be push for a break up of the US, and were still a ways away from things getting to that point. The good thing is that point is probably just a decade or so away rather than a half century or more(which is what I thought before this last year).

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            [–]antireddit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            I am convinced that if somebody were to give a wignat two buttons, one to kill all jews and the either to secure our people, they'd pick the jews every time.

            Now you're just repeating Jewish neurosis. I cant speak for wignats as I have zero attachment to the Nazis, but my only issue with Jews are those that are hostile towards whites, and have both the power and track record of acting out on that hostility. Primarily those in the media. If these issues could be addressed while ignoring said Jews, I would happily do it. Unfortunately they are the primary drivers of censorship and deplatforming, so you cannot ignore the issue anymore, because its not going to ignore you.

            The bottom line is this. Pinning all our hopes on Trump personally was always a losing strategy. While I admire his toughness-no leader in history has ever endured the sustained media assault he has-he comes loaded with a lot of baggage and a toxic personality that threatens to drown out the issues we care about, and a history of focusing on issues that are meaningless, and even harmful to us. The fact the democrats are a thousand times worse might be reason to vote for him, but thats as far as I'd take it. He never was some savior, and on balance has done far more harm than good. Its impossible to imagine we'd be in worse shape had Hillary won than we are now.

            [–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            this is some of the gayest gop shilling ive seen in my entire life. you deserve the genocide if you unironically think the gop is your friend and not your foremost enemy

            [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Is Trump really the hill you want to die on?

            No but if this is what gets a chunk of white people mobilized I'm all in. Opposition to an obviously corrupt election is necessary and it's bigger than supporting Trump. This may be the last time we have any level of formal leadership and government legitimacy behind us. We absolutely have a few of /ourguys/ in Trumps white house, congress, and military. Not as many as I'd like but I'm sure that many of these dissidents and dissident sympathizers will get purged if Biden wins.

            [–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            sure, so join some serious guys and detach yourself from caring about the kike uniparty

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              [–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              LMFAO being serious is when you do literally nothing then vote for the GOP in perpetuity

              [–]Marginotions 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Notes on Perspective, by Robert O'Bannon