Do you expect a white ethnostate in your lifetime?

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[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I think a white ethnostate in this century is very unlikely. Whites aren't going to come out of their stupor until they suffer for a very long time. The social benefits of supporting leftist propaganda and social consequences for heresy are too extreme. When whites have nothing left to lose, the potential will exist for deprogramming. Whites probably have at least a century of losing ahead of them.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Whites aren't going to come out of their stupor until they suffer for a very long time.

That's just false. History can change on a dime.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I really appreciate your optimism. I hope you are right.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've seen the discourse change significantly in my own country and other European countries. We're slowly but surely breaking taboos and changing the debate. America is lost though. Post-Americanism is required.

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Didn't Vienna just lose to the Social Democrats? Greece just had the dissident right party arrested? The only change in discourse on any meaningful level towards the right in Europe is the fact people are trying to slow down immigration, otherwise it seems to be moving left still overall.

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/j9wo8z/social_democrats_win_farright_collapses_in_vienna/

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Didn't Vienna just lose to the Social Democrats?

So what? The entire debate in Austria about immigration and identity has been shifted to the right. Vienna isn't going to change that.

Greece just had the dissident right party arrested?

Golden Dawn was an optics disaster. And Greece stopped Erdogan's attempt at flooding Europe again. Greece 5 years ago wouldn't have done that.

otherwise it seems to be moving left still overall.

Not really.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Whites probably have at least a century of losing ahead of them.

Whites have 50 years in my opinion and I'm being generous with my estimation.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Yes.

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Where do you think this will occur and how much land would it encompass? Do you envision a far-right dictator in an Eastern European nation to declare whites-only and expel all minorities, or the US to balkanize and some portion of land dedicated white only?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Ethnostates already exist...

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What state has a 100% white population?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It doesn't have to be 100% to be an ethnostate. You're being dense on purpose.

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Citizenship being restricted to the white race means anyone non-white wouldn't have a passport and identification. What is really an ethnostate to you then? 98%?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

98%?

That's an ethnostate, yes.

[–]BitterRedditRefugee 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Is that considered an ethnostate so that the losers who cant get a white girl can still bring their mail order bride from the orient to the white ethnostate?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

lol

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This. The amount of white losers with asian mail order brides or something similar is a real problem. I have one in my family and another who is a close friend.

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I expect some sort of partition of the US. Whether that being partition into politically-based areas or racially-based areas, it will be separation of some sort. America is simply too polarized to survive much longer.

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The union has been far more polarized and survived. See the Civil War.

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In 2018, poll that found fully 39 percent of Americans — including 42 percent of Democrats — wanted to secede. I don't know if this is higher of lower than what is was before Civil War and you don't either. And bringing up civil war doesn't help your case at all. It was fought precisely because one side wanted to be separate from the other. And the only reason it didn't happen is because the side that wanted to keep them in won. But this time, there will be no side like that. This time, everyone wants to leave.

Academics are writing books about incoming secession, and both right and the left is entertaining the idea more and more. It's only matter of time.

[–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

First of all, there's different levels of wanting to secede. The Civil War was so much more polarized because the desire was much higher, enough to die for it. There were 11 states that had reached this level. In addition, the south was balancing out the north for a long time, see slave states vs. free states, which means similar electoral votes, similar population size. Anyone capable of reason and not blinded by bias, and desire for the US to be destroyed can see the Civil War was a far more polarized time.

This time, everyone wants to leave.

In 2018, poll that found fully 39 percent of Americans

At least try not to contradict yourself if attempting to debate someone.

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anyone capable of reason and not blinded by bias, and desire for the US to be destroyed can see the Civil War was a far more polarized time.

They way I see it is that you have nothing, as expected, but you still want to believe that polarization was greater then and this is the rationalization you tell yourself.

Even if it was greater back then, so what? Our current situation won't be getting any better. People will be hating each other more and more and the polarization will continue to increase, and at some point, it will be greater than it ever was.

At least try not to contradict yourself if attempting to debate someone.

I'm not saying it will happen this year. Or even within ten years most likely. My estimation is that America won't survive in its current state until ~2050.

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As whites lose control of our nations and we suffer progressively worse persecution, white consciousness and solidarity will continue to rise.

The question is whether the rise in white nationalism will win the race against the demographic decline in the most-white country. If the rise can reach a sufficient level before the most-white country loses its supermajority, then we will be able to secure at least one country longterm, which is all we really need. From there, we can build up our military might and retake our lost lands.

My guess is that we will have a healthy-minded ethnostate within 40 years, and it'll be in Eastern Europe, Russia, or Iceland.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It will be very interesting to see what comes after Putin.

[–]marc_gee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not in "western" countries, they are too far gone.

[–]VarangianRasputin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I actually do.

Ethnostates aren't a new concept; Israel, North Korea (little known fact, defectors from the Korean War were disallowed to marry and have children with Korean women), etc. And with the onset of the internet, the systematic oppression of the White Working Class is exposed on a mass-scale. Guys like Commander Rockwell and Dr Pierce didn't have the resources we have right now. More whites are awake than we think, they just have a line to tow so they don't lose their jobs and livelihoods. All we have to do is show every normal white person that they are NOT a minority, which we are succeeding in.

[–]Minedwe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd say it's rather likely. Already there are a few communities like Orania, and although conservatives are cucked, many are starting to drift towards more "extreme" versions of conservatism or other such thinking, including some to mild/borderline Third Positionist ideologies. Even Fox (Tucker, specifically, of course) a few years ago talked openly and unapologetically about White genocide (although avoiding the term, he talked about the murder of Boer farmers.)

On the other hand, Jews and their globalist allies are pushing leftism harder and pushing "normal" politics farther left, which will only push people further right and alienate/wake up a lot of liberals. They think thye'll squeeze us until we pop, but instead they are just strengthening us, lmao. In typical Jewish fashion they are setting themslves up to fail, and fail hard, as they've been doing for thousands of years.